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Ka-pi96 said:
Cloudman said:
Huh, they don't have many surprises left when it comes to alolan forms. It's a really missed opportunity that they didn't spread out the alolan form love to pokemon from all previous gens. We'll probably never see this feature again (unless they do _____ forms for where ever the next gen will be, but still not quite the same)

Agreed, but also some of the Alolan forms are complete shit and have just kind of ruined that pokemon now Maybe if they were using more than just 1 gens Pokemon for them they`d have had an easier time thinking up good new designs...

And yeah, probably won`t see regional forms again, although even if they did continue it then the next time it may just be gen 2 Pokemon or something which would also be really boring (and far too predictable). It can`t have been that hard to mix it up a bit, surely?

I think most of the alolan pokemon forms are fine. Though the biggest slap in the face is indeed diglett and dugtrio, my absolute favorite pokemon line. Game Freak granted my wish and they just gave dugtrio wigs... So upset about that.

Yeah, it can't be hard to give new forms to pokemon from all the games, so I dunno what Game Freak is thinking when they were picking pokemon to give new forms to.



 

              

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Ka-pi96 said:
Cloudman said:

I think most of the alolan pokemon forms are fine. Though the biggest slap in the face is indeed diglett and dugtrio, my absolute favorite pokemon line. Game Freak granted my wish and they just gave dugtrio wigs... So upset about that.

Yeah, it can't be hard to give new forms to pokemon from all the games, so I dunno what Game Freak is thinking when they were picking pokemon to give new forms to.

That was the main one I was referring to, although the Geodude line looks pretty rubbish as well.

I expect when they were picking new forms they were basing it on the success of Pokemon Go (a game that only had gen 1 Pokemon) and trying to win over as many of those people as possible based on nostalgia.

Oh, that's a reasonable and disappointing point if true. It def makes sense and gets the most out of Pokemon Go currently. I'm holding doubles of pokemon ready to transfer over too.

Kinda disappointing overall. Also, is there any pics of the alolan geodude line? I wanna see them...!



 

              

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Ka-pi96 said:
Cloudman said:

Oh, that's a reasonable and disappointing point if true. It def makes sense and gets the most out of Pokemon Go currently. I'm holding doubles of pokemon ready to transfer over too.

Kinda disappointing overall. Also, is there any pics of the alolan geodude line? I wanna see them...!

Here you go:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvB90qeUMAEWDuc.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvB90qdUMAE1UXu.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvB90qdVUAAuWWA.jpg

So, what do you think of them?

Graveler and Golem are pretty good, though what's up with the heavy brows and facial hair...?



 

              

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tbone51 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

They could just have the next gen 7 game(s) on NX. Yeah that'd be breaking the tradition of each Pokemon gen sticking to one system, but they've well shown they're not afraid to mess with the expected.

Even without dolphins, I'll still buy this game and like it, but I just really hope I get to see a dolphin pokemon before I croak.

There is now a dolphin pokemon lol.  But your gonna get mad as its a ghost/fairy lmao.

 

(Look at tapu koko counterparts. 1 is shape as a dolphin)

Just looks like a generic fish shape to me, and that's just it's appearance while in a specific position, not an actual dolphin, just like Tapu Koko isn't an actual chicken.



The biggest waste of potential here were Alolan forms. When I saw Exxegutor and Rattata it made sense because both are from tropical environments. But then they kept ONLY being Gen 1...what I thought would be cooler is if they had only done tropical Pokemon and got them Alolan forms. Like Alolan Tropius, Octillery, Mantine, etc. To fit the theme. Most of these forms not only lack a tropical feel which make them look out of place, but just look off. Like Persian.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

They could just have the next gen 7 game(s) on NX. Yeah that'd be breaking the tradition of each Pokemon gen sticking to one system, but they've well shown they're not afraid to mess with the expected.

Even without dolphins, I'll still buy this game and like it, but I just really hope I get to see a dolphin pokemon before I croak.

That only seems like it would be worthwhile if the NX is successful straight away though, which isn`t guaranteed.. Otherwise another gen 7 game wouldn`t be anywhere near as much of a system seller as a gen 8 game and would just be better off with the larger install base of the 3DS instead.

I think being the first HD Pokemon game that maybe can be played on the TV will automatically make for a big system seller regardless of the gen. You're probably right though, another Gen 7 game on 3DS next year then gen 8 in 2018 on NX would make a lot of sense. Even Nintendo themselves are still supporting 3DS next year so Gamefreak definitely will too.



Ka-pi96 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

I think being the first HD Pokemon game that maybe can be played on the TV will automatically make for a big system seller regardless of the gen. You're probably right though, another Gen 7 game on 3DS next year then gen 8 in 2018 on NX would make a lot of sense. Even Nintendo themselves are still supporting 3DS next year so Gamefreak definitely will too.

Given all the nostalgia focus lately, I wonder if a HD re-remake of the gen 1 games is a possibility for NX.

And if that happened would that be gen 7 or 8? I mean, it wouldn`t really be a new gen by itself but considering it would most likely be a big graphical boost over the gen 7 games and be about on par with any eventual gen 8 games maybe it could be classed as an early gen 8 game?

I'd say it depends on the Pokemon, since console spin-offs namely the Stadium games look better than their handheld counterparts, but you wouldn't say Battle Revolution isn't a Gen4 game. That logic isn't solid though, since what if the Gen1 remake only has Gen1 Pokemon but uses the updated Gen7 mechanics, like how PoGo has fairy type? I have no idea! I just hope if they must do another Gen1 remake that it doesn't delay the Gen4 remakes. I need my nostalgia fix too damn it! 



Ka-pi96 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

I'd say it depends on the Pokemon, since console spin-offs namely the Stadium games look better than their handheld counterparts, but you wouldn't say Battle Revolution isn't a Gen4 game. That logic isn't solid though, since what if the Gen1 remake only has Gen1 Pokemon but uses the updated Gen7 mechanics, like how PoGo has fairy type? I have no idea! I just hope if they must do another Gen1 remake that it doesn't delay the Gen4 remakes. I need my nostalgia fix too damn it! 

hmm, I`ve never really thought of the home console spin-offs being part of gens anyways. When I think of gens I usually only think of the handheld games.

I`m sure if there were to be a gen 1 remake it would use updated mechanics, but what if it uses some gen 8 mechanics, except we don`t even know they`re gen 8 mechanics yet until the new mainline gen 8 games appear.

Oh, and do you really need gen 4 remakes? I mean, the originals are playable on 3DS already and aren`t that outdated... Neither are the gen 1 remakes really, but we still need a Pokemon Yellow remake... cuz Pikachu FTW!

Eh, to me the Gen 4 games were always outdated, still battling with still images, but the presentation otherwise and mechanics were decent enough for me to finally jump in. Would I jump back though? Nah, I generally find it hard to go back to older games, I couldn't finish Explorer's of Sky because of this. The only way I'll play Gen 4 again is through remake! Oh and I don't expect them soon or on 3DS, probably 2019 at the earliest. Besides, Twilight Princess HD exist. :L



Legendaries can evolve now?

I wonder if the Alohan forms count as separate pokemon for the 800 they have..

Not a fan of the final starter designs though



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