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Lawlight on 12 October 2016
UltimateGamer1982 said:
Ganoncrotch said:

No it doesn't, it means you "have to" switch over to your X1S if you "have to" watch one of the movies you have on 4k Blu Ray disc, otherwise you can watch whatever movie you want from streaming services like Netflix on your PS4.

Except Netflix charges extra for 4K streaming. I've had it before and watching your connection drop when the picture gets blurry because it can't keep up with 4K becomes annoying. Add in the fact Netflix streaming doesn't get all that many new release movies like xmen, deadpool, Star Trek, hitman, the Martian and more, HD or UHD versions, respectfully, your Netflix idea is a joke. 

 

Ill stick to my new 4K blu Rays. Not the old movies Netflix usually adds. 

If I wanted to watch 4K blu-Ray movies I would get them from Google Play (coming November).



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walsufnir on 12 October 2016

"Gaming discussion"

OT: So you don't have actual numbers but infer a bad future for UHD bluray based on HD bluray. That is of course totally plausible but why do you put that in gaming discussion? To get a discussion started that the Xbox One S has a feature nobody cares about and Sony made the right choice to not include it in their slim and pro versions?



TallSilhouette on 12 October 2016

By the time 4k (and hdr) screens are more mass market than luxury, the PS5 will be here with all the bells and whistles.



Azzanation on 12 October 2016

Due to the massive support of 4k Digital it wont sell as much as Blu Ray or DvD. These days you dont need a disk player. For me i prefer not to Stream my movies. I watched Warcraft via digital steam and it hiccups. So i brought it on 4k disk. Now i need a 4k player, considering ill be picking up a X1Slim i dont have that issue. It plays games and future proofed my movie library.



walsufnir on 12 October 2016
Azzanation said:
Due to the massive support of 4k Digital it wont sell as much as Blu Ray or DvD. These days you dont need a disk player. For me i prefer not to Stream my movies. I watched Warcraft via digital steam and it hiccups. So i brought it on 4k disk. Now i need a 4k player, considering ill be picking up a X1Slim i dont have that issue. It plays games and future proofed my movie library.

I also think that digital streaming is way more convenient and I use streaming almost every day but if you actually care for picture quality, than there is no way around discs currently.

Bluray is leagues better than anything that I ever streamed and I would be surprised if 4k streaming reaches the same quality as bluray does.



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WC4Life on 12 October 2016
Lawlight said:
Pemalite said:

It doesn't matter how many discs are sold.

Adding a 4k Blu-Ray drive adds very little to none to the systems cost but is a very good check-list feature for some.
Plus it's not the only Disc format the PS4 is unable to run, CD support is also non-existent.

Besides, one day you might end up with a sizable 4k blu-ray collection picked up from a garage sale or swap meet. Would be nice if all your hardware could run it, correct?

So, basically, the PS4 Pro should have had it so that a checkbox can be ticked? Or if in 5 years' time you come across some garage sale?

Well said.

Or maybe Sony forgot to take into account the huge demand of 4K-BR garage sales in the future...I certainly never even thought about it, lmao



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Mr Puggsly on 12 October 2016
foxtail said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Many people don't exactly buy Bluray discs. But they seem to be really popular rental kiosks. Where I live there is a Redbox often blocks away from each other or even across the street. That's impressive considering physical movies are apparently dead.

Though physical (including rental) is still in a steady decline, while digital is also steadily increasing.

U.S. Consumer Spending ($ in millions) First Half 2015 First Half 2016 YOY
Sell-Thru Packaged Goods -All  $ 2,750.16 $ 2,575.50 -6.35%
Total Rental (excluding VOD) $ 1,616.53 $ 1,338.04 -17.23%
Total Digital  $ 4,355.46  $ 4,969.72   14.10%
Total U.S. Home Entertainment Spending $ 8,722.15 $ 8,883.26 1.85%

Part of the cause for that is likely due to physical copies coming weeks after the digital release.

Either way, rental kiosks are still very popular.



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Pemalite on 12 October 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
Pemalite said:

It doesn't matter how many discs are sold.

Adding a 4k Blu-Ray drive adds very little to none to the systems cost but is a very good check-list feature for some.
Plus it's not the only Disc format the PS4 is unable to run, CD support is also non-existent.

Besides, one day you might end up with a sizable 4k blu-ray collection picked up from a garage sale or swap meet. Would be nice if all your hardware could run it, correct?

Within the context of this thread, and the point he's trying to make, it completely matters how well physical formats are doing and the historic precedent we have is a great tool for gauging the importance of ultra high def. would you be singing the same tune of UHD sold less than a million discs per year?

 

Ultimately I agree that Sony should have included UHD. But unless we see game installs or day 1 patches disappear from the xb1S using an UHD drive, it doesn't affect the key component to a console - gaming. 

Not really. Markets have changed, companies like Blockbuster no longer exist... Disk sales are in decline.
But the replacements like Kiosks and mail-in disk schemes filled the vacuum, people just pay a monthly fee and get a heap of disk movies mailed to them on a semi-regular basis or pay a couple bucks and grab a movie from a Kiosk.

Besides, the drives are used for more than just film, more space means higher quality video and audio in games... Some notable examples happened last generation, like with Final Fantasy, where the Xbox 360 version had lower quality video.

It would have added very little/nothing to the machines cost, yet given people the ability to do more if they *choose* to do so.
And that is what it ultimately comes down to... Choice. You have the choice to playback any optical Disk on the Xbox One S. The Playstation 4 you cannot do 4k Blu-Ray or CD.
Companies removing choice is not a good thing and should not be defended.

Lawlight said:

So, basically, the PS4 Pro should have had it so that a checkbox can be ticked? Or if in 5 years' time you come across some garage sale?

To avoid playing semantics with you once again, I'll just say "no" and leave it at that.




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Mr Puggsly on 12 October 2016
WC4Life said:
Lawlight said:

So, basically, the PS4 Pro should have had it so that a checkbox can be ticked? Or if in 5 years' time you come across some garage sale?

Well said.

Or maybe Sony forgot to take into account the huge demand of 4K-BR garage sales in the future...I certainly never even thought about it, lmao

I agree the garage thing is not a great argument. But its obvious some people are downplaying UHD Bluray because one platforms has it and the other does not.

Would anybody be upset if PS4 Slim and Pro managed to get a UHD drive in there? I doubt it. There would also be less arguing about how useless it is. There is way too much discussion on this topic given its something that apparently doesn't matter.



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Fei-Hung on 12 October 2016

I used to be a hive movie collector but I just can't be bothered anymore.

My VHS collection became irrelevant and I needed to start all over again for DVD. Then my DVD collection had to replaced by my BR collection. I'm not going to do the same again with UHD BR and then again with 8K BR and so on.

Streaming will do for me. The convenience of not having to swap discs, have to buy a new format, waste tons of money wins for the average consumer.

It's nice having the option to buy the odd UHD BR, just like how I still buy the odd BR when it's on sale or when I come across a cheap pre-owned copy at £3-4. But that won't happen with UHD BR for another 1.5-2 years.