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JRPGfan said:

"The concept is great, because he said you could play say.... assasins creed, once you have your handheld plugged into your console, and then you can then detache the thing and take it with you, and play assasins creed the mobile game out of your pocket, and then when you get back home, you can and plug it back in, and now it it attachs back in (to the normal assassin creed)."

He never says you can play on your console "without" the handheld part.
This makes me think, what hes calling the "home console" part is just a docking station for the handheld.
All the hardware is inside the handheld.

Also what he calls the normal version & mobile game version, are the same game.
He makes it sound like you pick off where you left off, reguardless of which version your playing.

That sounds like the PS4 version & PS4pro version of games.
Its the same game, the differnce is the resolutions & effects ect.

He just discribes how the NX works.
Its a tablet, that sits in a docking station.
When your at home on your TV it plays the game at a high resolution.
When you leave home with your tablet, it plays the game at a lower resolution (conserve power).

This sounds like the hybrid theory to me.
Not 2 devices.

yeah completely disagree. He calls it handheld hooked into a console. Two devices. Gotta agree to disagree here.



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Thanks for the video! Hopefully there is a actual console happening. Because if its just a 720p tablet with a home console mode that is still weaker than Xbox One, I will be disappointed.

This makes me think of the original rumors where they said that the handheld would plug into the console and the console would see a boost in power from the handheld. I really hope that concept is still true. Then at the very least the console could be Voltron'd together.

But what troubles me is how would Sony or MS steal this concept from Nintendo? It requires more than one device. Sony abandoned Vita years ago and MS has never had a handheld.



PwerlvlAmy said:

People can deny it all they want but for Nintendo to continue in the console market, they need third party and yes even COD and Fifa,I'm not a fan of those franchises, but they still need those games.

Less games is not a positive 

As stated by me I feel best case scenario is they have the home console thats powerful as PS4 to be able to cater to what third parties want, then handheld to appease that side, like the video stated. Handheld hooks into the console and then is played on the TV and then take out the handheld from the console and take the game on the go,which will obviously be downscaled.

Strong console(ps4 level) + capable handheld + shared library = best case scenario imo

You're simplifying things waaaay too much.

Being a capable system doesn't equal third party support. Even then third party support doesn't equal third party success, lack of third party success means no more third party support. Case and point for both arguments is the Wii U. Didn't recieve most games released in 2013 despite being on par with 360/PS3, those that it did recieve didn't sell very well and thus support was short lived.

We have to acknowledge several things.

1. Most people who want to play third games favour Playstation and Xbox platforms for these games as a result of a decade old relationship & marketing (2 decades for playstation users). PS4/X1 have established themselves in the minds of consumers for big franchises, Nintendo is not undoing that mid generation without a miracle. This is without even bringing up the question of online membership/ecosystem.

2. Going by last gen numbers, around 40-50% of this generations userbase will have already picked up a PS4/Xbox One by the time the NX is out. Why on earth would they waste money getting an NX home console just to play the literal the same games, with the same graphics as the console they already have at home? For those yet to purchase a console, why would they lock themselves out of the online ecosystem their friends are a part of? Who are they going to play Fifa and COD with on NX when 80%  of their friends own a PS4/X1.

3. The NX home console will be left to die & third party games will FLOP. So we know that Nintendo handhelds always do better then their console simblings. Now imagine that the console sibling doesn't even have its own exclusives because they're all available on the handheld. Now imagine you already have a PC/Playstation/Xbox to play third party games and the NX isn't much more powerful then the PS4. It simply doesn't make sense that such an NX home console will find much success outside from the small portion of Hardcore gamers who want every system with decent "exclusives" & Nintendo fans who strongly prefer home consoles over handhelds and somehow only find third party games interesting when they're coming to a Nintendo platform.  

4. Developers will have little interest. Developers don't just throw their games on any platform thats capable. They put them on platforms they think have an audience and a future. A PS4 spec NX arriving after 3 years after the PS4, 5months after the much more power PS4 Pro and 6months before the beastly Scorpio will be a red flag to developers. Their audience who cares about optimun performance are going to go to one of the more powerful systems, their audience who cares about convenience will go to one of the more established platforms. Their future audience, if we jump 4 years forward, will not be playing on the -dated at launch/obsolete- NX. This is partially what happened to the Wii U. The mega publishers threw their generic support at it (AC, COD, Fifa etc). But all of the the slightly more core orientated games skipped it, because the developers knew that a 2012 system which barely out paces the PS3/360 is not going to attract or nurture the audience needed for their games to sell.

5.If all their games are cross platform, Nintendo aren't even going to use the power of the a PS4 level NX, not when the same game has to run on a handheld 1/5 as powerful. They'd either limit their scope for the console version or they'd spend so much time optimising for each platform they're half way developing 2 seperate games.

I'm completely down for a powerful, hardcore Nintendo gaming box. 2017 is not the time though..

A real NX hybrid means

-cheaper game developement & more games (arguably whats most important to Nintendo finacially). Bigger USP - portable/console in one. Not seperating their audience by platform. Not directly competing with PS4/X1 (so actually positioning themselves as meaningful secondary console). More chance for actual unique support from third parties through distinguishing itself as a unique platform to make money from-i.e its not like Nintendo are just cutting into Playstations pie, they'd be creating a whole new revenue opportunity that wouldn't exist otherwise. Tablet functionality to sell to kids & casual gamers. 



"I've talked to two people who have used it. One is from Ubisoft and he said programming for it is actually really nice and Nintendo is working very closely with him and that the concept is great because he said, you could play... Uh, I dunno how careful I should be with it... Let's say you could play Assassin's Creed once you have your handheld plugged into your console. And then, you could then detach the thing and take it with you and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game out of your pocket. And then when you get back home, plug it directly in and now it attaches back to the... That's brilliant. That's smart, right? Taking a form of the game with you as you go. So he says it's a dream to code for. And then somebody I know who's played on the NX for 20 minutes said... It's as innovative as they'd hoped and 'we wish we had done that.'"

People saying this guy is believable and honest, that he not giving false information.



What about 2 separate gpu's that if connected together act as one gpu?



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sam987 said:
What about 2 separate gpu's that if connected together act as one gpu?

Nintendo has a patent for a supplemental computing device. You plug it into your console, and it increases cpu, memory, and graphics. At least if memory serves. I could be wrong on the cpu part.

Nintendo has the groundwork laid for it. Who knows if they will use it though and what kind of power increase we'll see.



JRPGfan said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Sounds like the two console rumor. Now its going to be interesting to see who powers the home comsole, AMD or Nvidia and how powerful it is. The power is gonna determine how far this console goes. 

Best case scenario: as strong as PS4

Worst case: Weaker than XB1/PS4

Sounds like a table that overclocks (or just runs full speed) when its docked (and thus can draw power from a cord), and when you take it out of the dock, it downclocks to save power.

It doesnt sound like 2 devices, it sounds like 1, that does 2 things.

Each and every game nintendo makes will have 2 modes, portable mode & docked mode.

Kinda like how PS4 games have a normal mode + PS4pro mode.

Totally agree, base unit and handheld/tablet device.

 

 

PwerlvlAmy said:
JRPGfan said:

"The concept is great, because he said you could play say.... assasins creed, once you have your handheld plugged into your console, and then you can then detache the thing and take it with you, and play assasins creed the mobile game out of your pocket, and then when you get back home, you can and plug it back in, and now it it attachs back in (to the normal assassin creed)."

He never says you can play on your console "without" the handheld part.
This makes me think, what hes calling the "home console" part is just a docking station for the handheld.
All the hardware is inside the handheld.

Also what he calls the normal version & mobile game version, are the same game.
He makes it sound like you pick off where you left off, reguardless of which version your playing.

That sounds like the PS4 version & PS4pro version of games.
Its the same game, the differnce is the resolutions & effects ect.

He just discribes how the NX works.
Its a tablet, that sits in a docking station.
When your at home on your TV it plays the game at a high resolution.
When you leave home with your tablet, it plays the game at a lower resolution (conserve power).

This sounds like the hybrid theory to me.
Not 2 devices.

yeah completely disagree. He calls it handheld hooked into a console. Two devices. Gotta agree to disagree here.

Yes, handheld/tablet hooked in "base unit", two devices, basicly like infos we already have.



These are nice rumors. It sounds good to me :).

Preorder uncancelled /s.



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SubiyaCryolite said:
Eurogamer skeptics assemble.

Let's face it though, It's the best case scenerio for potential NX buyers.



Miyamotoo said:
"I've talked to two people who have used it. One is from Ubisoft and he said programming for it is actually really nice and Nintendo is working very closely with him and that the concept is great because he said, you could play... Uh, I dunno how careful I should be with it... Let's say you could play Assassin's Creed once you have your handheld plugged into your console. And then, you could then detach the thing and take it with you and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game out of your pocket. And then when you get back home, plug it directly in and now it attaches back to the... That's brilliant. That's smart, right? Taking a form of the game with you as you go. So he says it's a dream to code for. And then somebody I know who's played on the NX for 20 minutes said... It's as innovative as they'd hoped and 'we wish we had done that.'"

People saying this guy is believable and honest, that he giving false information.

He is?

THis is what I was thinking it was going to be.  Not really a hybrid like people are expecting.  It wont be a powerful handheld with a dock, but essentially have Wii U like features but the handheld component will be able to take with you and play companion games on the go, and feed back into the main games, with allowing Android/IOS devs to make games exclusively for it or port them over whcih can then be played on the big screen.

I'm guessing there's some other stuff to it(like maybe streaming to multiple devices beyond Nintendo hardware of something).