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Mafioso said:
If this indeed will be Tegra based, then the other semicustom win AMD must be talking about must be an Amazon console.

I wouldnt mind honestly.



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Soundwave said:
bunchanumbers said:

That is why it has to have a lower price point. $199 and people would love the thing. 2.5 isn't much compared to Scorpio, but it is ahead of PS4 and Xbox One. Then all Nintendo needs to do is ride out the generation with their unified teams, sell on mobile, make some theme park rides and make some more Nintendo merch, and they will have carved out a real solid niche for themselves that doesn't solely rely on video games, but still features it prominently. You can't tell me that a Pokemon with 2.5 TFs of power wouldn't look like the cartoon but in real time. That alone would move units. People will buy a console and Pokemon for $249, but they won't spend $299 for a 720p tablet, no matter who makes it.

The problem is that line of thinking didn't work with the GameCube either. People were willing to pay more for the PS2. 

For that strategy to work, the systems have to be expensive, and they're not, you can get a PS4 for a reasonable price, Sony/MS would just position the PS4/XB1 S as the low cost alternatives, and NX would be stuck there with 15 games vs. like 3000+ for the PS4. Even $399 for a PS4 Pro isn't expensive really, it's with inflation the same price a launch Super NES was, $399.99 is just a standard price point these days. 

Whereas for parents a $269.99 NX "tablet" (lets say) next to a $400 iPad Mini is pretty good value considering it can do things other tablets cannot. 

They missed the bus this generation, if they want to release a "serious" console now it has to be Scorpio tier or probably even better than that (PS5 competitor). You can't show up 3 1/2 years late in this business, you are in for a rude, rude awakening. 

GameCube would've trounced the PS2 given a 3 1/2 year headstart, any system with that long of a headstart is going to be make short work of a similarily spec-ed direct competitor. PS4 would dismantle a 2.5 TFLOP 2017 NX. Absolutely take it to school. 

It was a different era though. PS2 also was selling because of the DVD player. I also think that the lower price point and power would be accepted. This machine will be going toe to toe with Scorpio/Pro, but they are still ahead of ps4/xbox One. At the very least, they can build a solid niche, have 3rd party support, and unlike the GCN days, it will have access to the full library.

I really do think that this would be a solid solution. But since according to rumors, it will be a 720p tablet all I can do is voice my displeasure at Nintendo's decision and wait for the official announcement to be officially disappointed.



bunchanumbers said:
Soundwave said:

The problem is outside of a small group of Nintendo loyalists like myself and you, probably not a lot of people would buy such a system. 

It'd be the GameCube all over again, but worse because Sony and MS both have 3+ year head starts, and today Sony/MS also lock people into to their online ecosystems, which is more of a factor than it was in 2001 (ie: even if you prefer say an XBox, you buy the PS4 because your best friend already has it and you want to be able to play COD, NBA2K, Destiny, GTA, etc. online with them). 

Nintendo needed to release the system you've described 2-3 years ago, by 2017 it's way too late. 

If they want to release a "serious" console now, it has to be Scorpio level in spec at minimum, I would say probably even beyond that to really get any mainstream attention. 

2.5 TFLOP isn't going to impress anyone when the PS4 Pro is already 4 TFLOPS and Scorpio is at 6 TFLOP and while the regular PS4 has thousands of games already. The only system it would maybe compare favorably against would maybe be the vanilla XBox One S. 

That is why it has to have a lower price point. $199 and people would love the thing. 2.5 isn't much compared to Scorpio, but it is ahead of PS4 and Xbox One. Then all Nintendo needs to do is ride out the generation with their unified teams, sell on mobile, make some theme park rides and make some more Nintendo merch, and they will have carved out a real solid niche for themselves that doesn't solely rely on video games, but still features it prominently. You can't tell me that a Pokemon with 2.5 TFs of power wouldn't look like the cartoon but in real time. That alone would move units. People will buy a console and Pokemon for $249, but they won't spend $299 for a 720p tablet, no matter who makes it.

As soundwave said that isn't how things work out. No one actually cares about specs, they care about games and NX games will look near identical to PS4 games unless they got a decent CPU to double the FPS which would likely negate their price advantage over the PS4. The average gamer is not interested in secondary consoles which are similar to consoles they already own. Thats why there's typically a draw/win/loose situation. PS3 and Xbox 360 drew last gen. PS4 is winning this gen and eating X1's potential market leaving it stalling in WW sales. This is why a $99 Gamecube with all of its Nintendo exclusives sold 22m next to the PS2's 150m, most people were happily content with their Playstation despite all the exclusives Nintendo had to offer (playstation has its own of course). A traditional Nintendo console would have to compete for space against the PS4/X1 and they've been out for 3 years now, why anyone would go for the unestablished platform with 1/20th of the games is beyond me. They'd either be a hardcore gamer who is happy to own multiple consoles or a core Nintendo fan (essentially somewhere between Wii and Gamecube's audience)

If the NX tablet is $299, its screen won't be 720p. I mean if we're using that Emily rumour of 720p we also ought to acknowledge the bit where she says its also going to be cheaper then many people think. Anyway I think the importance of resolution is being widely overstated imo. Before the Wii it was ridiculous to think a new console could come out and barely outpace its 5 year old predecessor. Consumers are intelligent enough to gauge function and see what does and doesn't appeal to them in a device, they don't look at the smallprint on the back and tick of a bunch of boxes. Something may be the norm in a market, that doesn't make it a necessity to exist in the market in light of actual USPs. If you've ever used a 720p 6" screen you know its looks absolutely fine, so the dramatics over it are not warranted imo. If anyone has interest in the NX tablet they obviously value its gaming credentials and that shouldn't be confused with any other gaming tablets out there which play a random selection of games (mostly years old) and have no branding, marketing or killer exclusives supporting them (Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Yokai Watch, Monster Huntert to name a few). If you say people will buy a $250 console with Pokemon on it, then Nintendo are on to a winner as the NX is looking to be exactly that and more. 



This is Nintendo´s own fault. We should spread as many rumours and false information as possible, so they learn that they need to comunicate with their consumers a little better.
At least, say when you will be ready to talk about the product, this is getting ridiculous.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

So weaker than X1 and will upscale to 4k? I don't think it will be very pretty unless for very basic and little demanding games



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Mnementh said:
Zekkyou said:

Nintendo is a business, not a hobby group. They're not going to indefinitely throw money at their console business if it doesn't achieve the results they want. I have no idea how the NX will do, and even if it does fail they may very well try again, but every time one of their consoles fails it pushes them further towards alternatives. Hell, if the NX is a hybrid, it's already an alternative. Do you really believe that if the NX fails, which would likely drain a significant chunk of that 'tons of money' every year, that they'd just me like "meh, so what?".

Well, finally Nintendo will go 3rd-party and produce games exclusively for mobile devices...

If they arrive at the point that they no longer consider making consoles sustainable, then going 3rd party would be a logical alternative. We're a pretty long way off serious discussion about that though :p The NX hasn't even been revealed yet, let alone failed. 



"also adding that developers won’t have to deal with any technical hurdle if they want to port PS4 and Xbox One games to the NX"

This is the part that really matters to me. Not that I believe the rumor, but if this is true, it's fine. If porting games is not an issue, it's fine...

That being said, I'm only ok with sacrificing power if there is a compelling gimmick to make up for it. Based on the hopefully false rumors, this doesn't seem to be the case.



So many damn rumors, I can't handle them all!



                
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bunchanumbers said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again you talk only about hardware power, its not just hardware power what makes console. If that is a case why 3DS doesn't have price of $49, it has very weak hardware!?

Of Course, I expecting $249-299 price point, expecting $99-149 (when 3DS is $150) is talking crazy staffs. Again that is a hybrid, home console (that is around 3x stronger than WiiU) and handheld in one, not just Wii U or 3DS, but Wii U and 3DS in same package.

Offcoruse, some 3rd partys will suport NX (you can count almost all Japanese 3rd party), some will not (for instance hardly we will see Bethesda games), but for most developers its most important how much NX will be popular and how much will sale.

You look at NX like just handheld, but its not, its handheld (big) and home console, so you cant expect that will have lower price than 3DS or Vita, lol.

You realize they're selling the 2DS for $79 right? And that's including a game and memory card. I wouldn't be surprised if they're spending less than $50 to produce a 2DS.

If NX is going to be a 720p tablet, I don't see why they can't make it for $99 or $149.

You realise that 2DS is cheap and that $150 3DS is still selling better!? Also do you realise that NX will have hardware that is around 3x stronger than Wii U, that isn't even comparible with 2DS hardware in any way, not to mention base unit and detachable controllers!? Why 3DS is still around $150 and why Vita is still around $200.

Becuse NX is not just a tablet!

Like I wrote, expecting $99-149 for NX when 3DS is $150 is talking crazy staffs.



Soundwave said:
bunchanumbers said:

I'm not being unrealistic. Nintendo could easily make a home console that is more powerful than the Xbox One for around $249 or even $199. Polaris 11 is a gpu that puts out around 2.5 TFs, costs $99, and uses little power. Add on the right parts, get the right distribution deals and you got a great little console that puts out solid graphics for around $199-249.

Instead, we're getting a 720p tablet that has a gpu that is 5 times less powerful, has detachable controllers, and comes with a bunch of peripherals to make it work on a TV. And you're expecting $299 for that?

And power may not ensure 3rd party ports, but not having power does. If a 3rd party dev has to pretty much tear their own game apart to make it fly on NX, they won't bother.

The problem is outside of a small group of Nintendo loyalists like myself and you, probably not a lot of people would buy such a system. 

It'd be the GameCube all over again, but worse because Sony and MS both have 3+ year head starts, and today Sony/MS also lock people into to their online ecosystems, which is more of a factor than it was in 2001 (ie: even if you prefer say an XBox, you buy the PS4 because your best friend already has it and you want to be able to play COD, NBA2K, Destiny, GTA, etc. online with them). 

Nintendo needed to release the system you've described 2-3 years ago, by 2017 it's way too late. 

If they want to release a "serious" console now, it has to be Scorpio level in spec at minimum, I would say probably even beyond that to really get any mainstream attention. 

2.5 TFLOP isn't going to impress anyone when the PS4 Pro is already 4 TFLOPS and Scorpio is at 6 TFLOP and while the regular PS4 has thousands of games already. The only system it would maybe compare favorably against would maybe be the vanilla XBox One S. 

You cant know that, you could predict that Wii will pass 100m!?

It have nothing with GC, it far more Wii than GC.