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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17

Aj vs Shane - It was great. Aj is my favorite wrestler, but I came into this one skeptical about it because of shane. But damn they delivered. Entertaining the whole way through.

Ko vs Jericho - great match

Fatal 4 way raw women's match - it was decent, the finish came too suddenly with no real build up to it. It just seemed awkward to end it with a elbow drop.

Fatal 4 way tat match - it was awesome, I don't care if it was a spot fest. Seeing the Hardys back and the massive crowd response was awesome. DELETE DELETE DELETE!!

Mixed tag match - I enjoyed it. We all know we weren't getting a master piece, but that crowd was nuts the whole match and made it awesome. I also enjoyed the proposal. I like my feel good moments.

Hhh vs Seth - I don't think it was a bar match, but the crowd was completely silent for most of it. They sort of killed the mood. It's understandable though, after how loud they were the previous two matches it just seemed like they took a break on this one. Match was good none the less.

Bray vs Randy - they proved me right. This match was shit. I didn't think it could be worse than their previous boring ppv match, but it was. Bray has never impressed me in the ring and today was no different.

Goldberg vs Brock - hate all you want, this match was entertaining. Awesome spot fest.

SD women's match - lame, not even surprise entrants. Weak match.

Takers last ride - he deserved better than Ramen rains, horrible match. Good bye to my favorite all time wrestler. You will be missed taker.



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AJ Stlyes can have a match with a potato and still make it a 5 star match.



 

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Wrestlemania 33 was a good show! I really enjoyed it!

Pre-Show:
Neville (c.) vs Austin Aries - Very good match as expected. I love to see Neville with the belt. Neville truly deserved to win the match because he has worked very hard since he debuted in 2015. I really hope that his reign will continue for a very long time. Aries is also amazing but it was just too early to give him the belt, but I hope that he will also win the belt someday in the future.

Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royale - From the last 4 years this one was the worst Memorial Battle Royale. I mean come on, Mojo Rawley was not at the level of the other competitors in this match, for instance Braun Strowman really needed this win after his big loss against Roman Reigns at Fastlane 2017. This win won't help Mojo Rawley in any way, it was a wasted opportunity for an other superstar who needed this much more than Mojo. I just can't take this match serious considering Jinder Mahal was the last one to be eliminated. And the whole NFL celebrity stuff with Mojo was uninteresting as hell too.

Dean Ambrose (c.) vs Baron Corbin - Overall an okay match, nothing special imo but it's ok for an kiff-off match. I guess these two just didn't get enough time or attention to deliver a good fight, it's really sad because I think these two could work an very good Street Fight match (or something similar). Maybe this will happen at Backlash 2017, who knows? I would really like to see that.


Main-Show:
AJ Styles vs Shane McMahon - What a great way to start the show. At the beginning I was really confused about this being the opener but it turned out to be one of the greatest Wrestlemania openers I can think of. AJ Styles showed that he can work a good match with literally everyone (he is so phenomenal) and Shane McMahon showed that he can deliver one hell of an good wrestling match. Shane McMahon still got it!

Chris Jericho (c.) vs Kevin Owens - Good match, also interesting that this match was the second one in the card. The storyline between both goes all back to Summerslam 2016 where the friendship started and seeing them both hating and fighting each other at the biggest stage of them all was awesome. There were a lot good moments in the match and the big list during Jericho's entrance was fantastic.

Bayley (c.) vs Charlotte Flair vs Sasha Banks vs Nia Jax - Didn't expect anything big for the match. It was was a solid match overall and seeing Bayley retaining the belt is good. I guess we can expect a heel turn from Sasha Banks tonight so that the next big fued for Bayley is going to be against Sasha Banks.

Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson (c.) vs Enzo Amore and Big Cass vs Cesaro and Sheamus vs Hardy Boyz - Hardy boyz returning was the best moment of the night for me!!! I literally freaked out, such an awesome Wrestlemania moment to remember!!! Overall a good Tag match with the Hardys winning the belts being best for business. Welcome back home Hardy Boyz!!!

John Cena and Nikki Bella vs The Miz and Maryse - Not the best match of the night but I was ok with it because
I knew the the whole match was only build for the Cena's proposal. I still was entertained, the only sad thing is that Miz lost. I really hope that WWE won't drop him now, he is World Championship material.

Seth Rollins vs Triple H - Match of the night for me! There is so much story behind this match, I mean this all started in 2014 with Seth Rollins betraying the Shield and joining Triple H. It was so great to see Seth Rollins finally beating Triple H! Next step for Seth Rollins should be revenge against Samoa Joe!

Randy Orton vs Bray Wyatt (c.) - I don't get why people are angry about this match. Randy orton proved in the last couple of months that he is awesome and that he deserves another run with a World Championship. The story behind this match also started on the first SmackDown after Summerslam 2016 and seeing Orton finally beating Wyatt was a great moment. I think Wyatt is one of these characters where wins and losses doesn't affect his character, he will still be one of the top wrestlers in SmackDown after this match and I am sure that this wasn't his last run with the WWE Championship. And btw I really liked these creepy scenes from Wyatt which faded in on the ring during the match.

Goldberg (c.) vs Brock Lesnar - One hell of a fight!!! Sure, wrestling-wise it was a catastrophe but I was so entertained from this match! The big crowd reactions definitely contributed to it! An entertaining match doesn't need to be a wrestling masterwork and this match is the perfect example for it! Congrats Brock Lesnar for finally defeating Goldberg!

Alexa Bliss (c.) vs Becky Lynch vs Natalya vs Mickie James vs Carmella vs Naomi - Good but also a sadly short match (not surprising considering how many matches we had). It was a great moment when Naomi regained the championship in her hometown yesterday, she completely deserves the moment and I really hope that this time she will have an successful run with the belt!

The Undertaker vs Roman Reigns - This is a very difficult one. Undertaker is the biggest wrestler of all time and he definitely deserves to go out in a big way. I really didn't like to see Reigns in the main event of Wrestlemania again but there was no other way than putting Undertaker's last match in his career on the main event of Wrestlemania. I really like Reigns and giving Undertaker the win in this match wouldn't do anything to Undertaker's career, the only logical step for WWE would have been to put Reigns over against The Undertaker. I can completely understand that, but my problem is that Undertaker's legacy has been damaged so much over the years. Giving him a SECOND loss at Wrestlemania is so respectless to the man who worked 27 years for the same company and who was always loyal to the business. It just hurts my heart to see Undertaker going out by a match with so many botches. That shows that Undertaker is way too old now and that he should have retired years ago. Wrestlemania 28 was the perfect time for The Undertaker to retire after he beat Triple H in the Hell in a Cell match and when he, Triple H and Shawn Michaels all walked the wys down together imo. The streak should have never ended imo just as a respect to The Undertaker. And now seeing him losing for a second time at the biggest stage of them all is just so sad... #ThankYouTaker



Seems like a lot of people enjoyed Mania more than me.

AJ vs Shane- Basically what you'd expect. AJ is great, and Shane can do some nice spots. Still... why? There isn't a great built in rivalry with Shane and AJ, and there are so many talented people shoved into the Battle Royal or not on the card that I don't get it. AJ really would have been much better used helping the Undertaker get to a good match.

Owens vs Jericho- It was fine. A solid performance. I enjoyed watching it, but thinking back I can't really remember a single spot, so I guess it wasn't very memorable.

Raw Women's Fatal Four Way- The intro with the three girls teaming to take out Nia was interesting. After that, it seems like they were rushing to the finish. I think the elimination format actually hurt this one.

Tag Team Ladder Match- Fun to see the Hardy's back, and they did a really great job with the New Day tease. Match itself was, like most of the card, good with nothing to make it great.

John Cena and Nikki Bella vs Miz and Cena- There is really no reason this match shouldn't have been on Raw. After the whole storyline focuses on John Cena and Nikki Bella being publicity hounds, Cena proposes to his girlfriend at wrestlemania instead of somewhere intimate. Of course, he likely popped the question earlier, judging by Nikki's complete lack of surprise, but they kind of proved the heel right. Seemed a bit tacky.

Rollins vs HHH- Best match of the night. Good psychology, a well built story, and two great wrestlers. HHH can still go. The ending sequence with both men going for the pedigree worked really nicely. Stephanie taking a bump was a bit predictable, but sometimes you just have to go with a good story instead of a surprise for surprise's sake. I'm a little confused on why there was a ref in an unsanctioned fight though.

Randy vs Wyatt- I like the gimmick, but could the announcers not treat us like idiots? It's a projector, not an inexplicable phenomena. Just say that Bray Wyatt had this planned to **** with Randy Orton, but don't act confused like you don't know what happened.

The ring projections were a neat way to make the match stand out, but unfortunately, there was no real match to go with it. It was slow, plodding, and boring, and the wrong guy went over.

Lesnar vs Goldberg- I really don't like this feud to begin with. Considering what they had to work with, it was as good as I could have expected. No need for the title to be involved.

All the Smackdown Women- Another thing that could have just been on Raw. Too short for the amount of people involved. Should have just done Naomi vs Bliss.

Undertaker vs Reigns- Kind of sucked. At this point, Undertaker needed someone who could carry him to a good match, and Reigns isn't that guy. Taker really should have stopped after the Hell in a Cell with HHH, or after getting beat by Lesnar.

The second year in a row they had to mute the crowd, but they still insist on pushing Reigns. I'm pretty sure that Reigns is in possession of a photo of Vince spooning with Putin or something. At least Reigns was acting like a heel. They should have had him go all the way.



Most of the matches were pretty good, but there was just nothing great. Nothing really special or worthy of Mania. At least the PPVs are 10 bucks nowadays (and come with the much better NXT events). If I'd have paid 50 dollars I'd be pretty upset.



Good Raw episode! Kurt Angle as Raw general manager is best for business!

Did I understand it right that we will have a some kind of a draft next week?



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Yes vita,



As usual, the RAW after Wrestlemania was better than Wrestlemania. The tradition continues.

The Revival beating New Day clean was interesting. I hope they're treated as well as they deserve.

Balor looked great.

Ugh, they're obviously setting up Roman vs. Lesnar. The only question is, how much are they going to milk it? In Vince's mind, it's Hogan vs. Andre, so it would be kind of odd to have it as some random PPV.



Shame that Sasha Banks didn't turn heel at Raw, it was the perfect opportunity for her. Bayley vs Banks should really happen in the future imo.

Why did they make The Revival debut on Raw? Raw has enough big tag teams, especially with the Hardy Boyz now. SmackDown needs more big tag teams, hopefully Gallows and Anderson will be drafted to SmackDown next week.

I am completely expecting Nakamura's SmackDown Live debut tonight!

I really hope that AJ Styles won't be drafted to Raw, I want him to start a fued with Randy Orton for the WWE Championship, I've been waiting since his debut for this!



I think Alexis is the only one on Smackdown who knows what a heel is.



Nakamura's on Smackdown.  That was weird, Nakamura interrupted Miz, then Miz left...  I'm so confused.