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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17
JWeinCom on 08 June 2022
ironmanDX said:
JWeinCom said:

It's less about that and more about the fact that Reigns has been so dominant that him losing is going to be a big moment. So it should be used to elevate someone else.

I'm so used to full time talent beng fed to part time talent so often I just assumed it was going to happen and didn't even consider that.

True, but I think if there is an exception, Reigns would be it.

BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

I really didn't find the Judgment day stable that interesting. I think it's better with Finn at its head. He needed something anyway.

But, I don't get why this would make Edge a face, even though that seems to be the intention. If an asshole gets his ass kicked by his asshole friends, I don't know why I should think he's not an asshole. 

If they're smart, which history shows is a dubious proposition, they won't go for a straight face turn. Instead, they'll have Styles and Edge form a kind of uneasy alliance with Edge still somewhat on the heelish side.

They pretty much ruined the whole pacing and structure.

Kick the guy who has been winning and blame him for holding back the stable while bringing in the guy who kept on jobbing to them and making him a member? lol

I'm not saying it made any sense. Just saying, I didn't care about the faction enough to be bothered by it. It's like if your significant other made you a meal, and it tasted like crap, and the dog jumps on the table and eats it and you're like "Oh no... Fido. Please. Don't."

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JWeinCom on 08 June 2022
BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

I'm not saying it made any sense. Just saying, I didn't care about the faction enough to be bothered by it. It's like if your significant other made you a meal, and it tasted like crap, and the dog jumps on the table and eats it and you're like "Oh no... Fido. Please. Don't."

Well now, no one is gonna care about it because the faction is just a bunch of jobbers.

Sad to consider Balor and Ripley as jobbers, but they've been booked like it. Maybe this will be the change they need. 



JWeinCom on 16 June 2022

Apparently Vince McMahon and Johnny Ace are in trouble for having a sexual relationship with a WWE employee (who allegedly was given a raise right after) and then signing a 3 million dollar NDA. And, that has led them to investigate some other NDAs that were given out to ex WWE employee.

Don't know why stories like this still surprise me. Vince has managed to stay bulletproof despite some shady behavior, but this may be the last straw. You can't get away with things like that these days. Unless you're the president.



No_Name_Needed on 16 June 2022
JWeinCom said:

Apparently Vince McMahon and Johnny Ace are in trouble for having a sexual relationship with a WWE employee (who allegedly was given a raise right after) and then signing a 3 million dollar NDA. And, that has led them to investigate some other NDAs that were given out to ex WWE employee.

Don't know why stories like this still surprise me. Vince has managed to stay bulletproof despite some shady behavior, but this may be the last straw. You can't get away with things like that these days. Unless you're the president.

To many Vince McMahon is the WWE, hell some seem to believe no one else can run the company. For that reason I would not be surprised if he somehow manages to stay and only Johnny Ace gets the boot. I've long given up on the WWE so I don't know if I really care or not, but the next couple of days (or weeks) will be interesting.



JWeinCom on 16 June 2022
BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

Apparently Vince McMahon and Johnny Ace are in trouble for having a sexual relationship with a WWE employee (who allegedly was given a raise right after) and then signing a 3 million dollar NDA. And, that has led them to investigate some other NDAs that were given out to ex WWE employee.

Don't know why stories like this still surprise me. Vince has managed to stay bulletproof despite some shady behavior, but this may be the last straw. You can't get away with things like that these days. Unless you're the president.

This could push the investors/BoD to push a sale of the company.

Or nothing will happen and at the most Johnny Ace will get the boot.

Whatever happens, I just hope there is a fair and thorough investigation, and appropriate reprucussions are taken for any misconduct. It would suck if it destroyed the company, because I don't know if the wrestling industry survives without WWE, but it is what it is.



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JWeinCom on 17 June 2022
BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

Whatever happens, I just hope there is a fair and thorough investigation, and appropriate reprucussions are taken for any misconduct. It would suck if it destroyed the company, because I don't know if the wrestling industry survives without WWE, but it is what it is.

Wrestling industry will survive.

WWE will survive even without the McMahons - there's just too many IPs and content in their archives to be gone/be lost forever.

If anything, a company will scoop them up for their content.

I'm sure there will be some form of pro wrestling left, particularly as Japan and Mexico exist, but I'm not sure it will survive in anywhere near the shape it is. There are I'm sure other people who could run a wrestling company the size of WWE, but the problem is, those people are generally not the same people who have billions of dollars to invest in the WWE. If the WWE is sold it's more likely to a company like Universal or Fox and it will be TV network executives running things, which may not work. 



No_Name_Needed on 17 June 2022

I'm just kind of speaking to myself with this post, but I been watching wrestling on and off again for a little over 25 years now. In that time I have read several wrestling books (all of Jericho's books, Bret Hart, both of JR's books, Moxley's book, and a few others). I have also seen a few documentaries, and other behind the scene shows on wrestling. Very rarely has Vince McMahon come across well when mentioned in these books and TV shows, not surprising I guess.

But the real takeaway from these books and shows is how closed off Vince really is. He basically comes across as someone whose entire life is the WWE. Many describe a Vince who gets driven from hotel to venue and back, and barely goes anywhere else. A guy who is essentially living in a bubble, the WWE bubble if you will. So if Vince thought he could get away with something (or anything) like this is not surprising (I still think he likely will). I would be surprised if Vince even knows what happened to Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby, again he lives in his own world (or bubble).



No_Name_Needed on 17 June 2022
BasilZero said:
No_Name_Needed said:

I'm just kind of speaking to myself with this post, but I been watching wrestling on and off again for a little over 25 years now. In that time I have read several wrestling books (all of Jericho's books, Bret Hart, both of JR's books, Moxley's book, and a few others). I have also seen a few documentaries, and other behind the scene shows on wrestling. Very rarely has Vince McMahon come across well when mentioned in these books and TV shows, not surprising I guess.

But the real takeaway from these books and shows is how closed off Vince really is. He basically comes across as someone whose entire life is the WWE. Many describe a Vince who gets driven from hotel to venue and back, and barely goes anywhere else. A guy who is essentially living in a bubble, the WWE bubble if you will. So if Vince thought he could get away with something (or anything) like this is not surprising (I still think he likely will). I would be surprised if Vince even knows what happened to Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby, again he lives in his own world (or bubble).

Yeah, he's no saint that is for sure.

But the allegations isnt as severe as the other two you mentioned - basically he had an affair and used money and power to silence the affair which seems to be why he's in the hot seat.

The only reason why he didnt get the complete boot was because no other thing came in the light that would be more severe.

The affair from the looks of it seems like it isnt that much of a big surprise or a issue with the family considering Vince blurted out in a recent interview about his wife being his "Wife at the time" which no one would say unless they are separated or something.

Now if a former WWE staff member whether in the back or one of the talent comes out and spills the beans, he is screwed.

Though I think at the most, it'll be Johnny Laurinitis (or w/e the hell his name is lol) that will get the boot. He'll be the scapegoat for sure.

Oh, Johnny Ace is done for sure.  And I definitely would not compare Vince to Weinstein and Cosby (at this point anyway), its just I would not be surprised if he was unaware of what happened to them considering how closed off he is. But yeah if other women and people come forward now, things could change fast.



JWeinCom on 17 June 2022
BasilZero said:
No_Name_Needed said:

I'm just kind of speaking to myself with this post, but I been watching wrestling on and off again for a little over 25 years now. In that time I have read several wrestling books (all of Jericho's books, Bret Hart, both of JR's books, Moxley's book, and a few others). I have also seen a few documentaries, and other behind the scene shows on wrestling. Very rarely has Vince McMahon come across well when mentioned in these books and TV shows, not surprising I guess.

But the real takeaway from these books and shows is how closed off Vince really is. He basically comes across as someone whose entire life is the WWE. Many describe a Vince who gets driven from hotel to venue and back, and barely goes anywhere else. A guy who is essentially living in a bubble, the WWE bubble if you will. So if Vince thought he could get away with something (or anything) like this is not surprising (I still think he likely will). I would be surprised if Vince even knows what happened to Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby, again he lives in his own world (or bubble).

Yeah, he's no saint that is for sure.

But the allegations isnt as severe as the other two you mentioned - basically he had an affair and used money and power to silence the affair which seems to be why he's in the hot seat.

The only reason why he didnt get the complete boot was because no other thing came in the light that would be more severe.

The affair from the looks of it seems like it isnt that much of a big surprise or a issue with the family considering Vince blurted out in a recent interview about his wife being his "Wife at the time" which no one would say unless they are separated or something.

Now if a former WWE staff member whether in the back or one of the talent comes out and spills the beans, he is screwed.

Though I think at the most, it'll be Johnny Laurinitis (or w/e the hell his name is lol) that will get the boot. He'll be the scapegoat for sure.

We don't know if he'll get kicked out yet. Stephanie is now the interim CEO.

I could care less if he had an affair with anybody, that's between him and Linda. But if he used his position of power to pressure employees into anything, or used company money/promotions to encourage someoene to have sex with him (both of which are alleged), that's not ok. 



JWeinCom on 17 June 2022
BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

We don't know if he'll get kicked out yet. Stephanie is now the interim CEO.

I could care less if he had an affair with anybody, that's between him and Linda. But if he used his position of power to pressure employees into anything, or used company money/promotions to encourage someoene to have sex with him (both of which are alleged), that's not ok. 

Another report states that Kevin Dunn and Stephanie dont get well together, gonna be interesting to see how it goes though I'm pretty sure Stephanie becoming interim CEO is just a proxy for Vince.

But ya, you are right - him hiding or using company assets/money is absolutely wrong but I still cant stand cheaters.

Cheating is wrong, but it has really no bearing on one's qualifications to serve as CEO in itself. If someone is a serial cheater but has never done anything inappropriate at work, then I see no problem in letting them continue. But if they are putting pressure on their employees to have sex with them, then they really shouldn't be in a position of power anymore.