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aLkaLiNE said:
Mummelmann said:
It doesn't have 4k blu-ray because Sony has no faith in the future of their own format. See how simple that was? No need for videos to explain it.

This is through and through a business decision, whether it's because of a partnership with Netflix, because they don't want to cannibalize their incoming luxury UHD player, or because the market is moving toward digital faster than UHD is being adopted. Has nothing to do with faith, they've already proven themselves on that aspect.

 

I suppose it could also be because of console parity between the new slim/pro and OG but idk about that

Or like, if PS4 is to be substituted in 2 years by PS5 and the 4k TVs adoption rate doesn't show a profit on including the drive on PS4Pro that would be a reason.



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Nighthawk117 said:
Nobody in 2016, gives a shit about the PS4 Pro not playing UHDs, except some MS fanboys.

Come November 2017, the PS4 Pro will play them with a simple firmware upgrade. It's well known, Read the Internet.;)

I don't think thats true, I personally don't own a Xbox but I would much like to have a UHD player and if the Pro did offer it, maybe it would have been more of a reason to upgrade, where currently I think its just not worth it. Overall its not "essential" but its deffenitely really nice since a 4k movie looks amazing from the discs and you sometimes just want to show off your television ^_^

Personally I think the costs would have outweighted in favour of including it. But I am sure Sony will release a model that does support it later down the line.




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no surprise gaming bolt is very biased against sony



HokageTenshi said:

PS4 succeed sales over XBone mainly because it was made focus more on gaming...

Price was a more significant issue for X1...



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Ruler said:
no surprise gaming bolt is very biased against sony

Its not a bias video, its a valid argument more these 4K consoles.

I stream 1080p but it still looks worse than a DVD.



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JRPGfan said:
Making up numbers is fun, kids!
Seriously, figures like $25 difference just aren't supportable.  Some have pegged it at $15 I believe,
although IMHO it can very well be much less, more like <$5, especially if codec/copyprotection licencing is not covered.
(Sony could make the UHD-BD player software a purchasable down-load, so only those interested need to pay licence fee)

Except Im not makeing them up.
Watch the video I linked. Michael pachter says them in the video (he either made them up, or knows them).

Seriously, you want to quote MICHAEL PACHTER now?  Really, you want to stake this on believing him?  Gotta remember this one.

But when I look into this more, I am actually more taken aback by your conduct here.

You might remember, there was a dedicated thread (which I started), focused solely on the ascertaining the actual cost differential.
You might remember that you yourself participated in said thread.
You might remember that your very first post there referenced a teardown cost analysis stating difference in price to be $15.50.
In fact, you were the very first poster in the thread to reference that specific cost figure.

JRPGfan said:
Ive heard people quote some tear down that estimated the costs of the Xbox One Slim,
and the drive there was like 15.5$ more expensive than the normal drive.
I think thats where this idea of it just being a extra 15$ in terms of bills of materials comes from.

So my reference to "some" claiming that figure, in fact directly APPLIES TO YOURSELF.  
Yet you sit here throwing up bigger numbers, and arguing when people claim those are way above the mark.  
WTF!?  What kind of scuz bag shit is this?  So sorry, but I don't need to waste my time with you anymore.

For anybody else,
the $15.50 difference was from IHS Markit teardown analysis of Xbone S (w/ 4K/UHD BD drive) saying it cost $33.50.
Although they claim previous drive cost $18, while their original analysis when Xbone came out stated it cost $32 ($28 for OG PS4).
And of course, all those figures would include normal copyright protection, codec, etc, licencing costs,
which could plausibly be split out from base cost by having those features only delivered thru PSN-purchased player software.
The increased physical requirements for 4K/UHD spec BD is so minimal that manufacturing costs can not be significantly higher,
not the least when OG PS4 drive is already above base BD spec itself in terms of read speed etc.

And in fact it isn't clear that 4K/UHD-BD capability isn't just a firmware patch away, not just for Pro, but also Slim or OG PS4.
The only reason why they couldn't be so patched is lack of hardware specs, which hasn't been shown to date AFAIK. 
(interested to hear any solid sources on that, though)



mutantsushi said:
JRPGfan said:

Except Im not makeing them up.
Watch the video I linked. Michael pachter says them in the video (he either made them up, or knows them).

Seriously, you want to quote MICHAEL PACHTER now?  Really, you want to stake this on believing him?  Gotta remember this one.

But when I look into this more, I am actually more taken aback by your conduct here.

You might remember, there was a dedicated thread (which I started), focused solely on the ascertaining the actual cost differential.
You might remember that you yourself participated in said thread.
You might remember that your very first post there referenced a teardown cost analysis stating difference in price to be $15.50.
In fact, you were the very first poster in the thread to reference that specific cost figure.

JRPGfan said:
Ive heard people quote some tear down that estimated the costs of the Xbox One Slim,
and the drive there was like 15.5$ more expensive than the normal drive.
I think thats where this idea of it just being a extra 15$ in terms of bills of materials comes from.

So my reference to "some" claiming that figure, in fact directly APPLIES TO YOURSELF.  
Yet you sit here throwing up bigger numbers, and arguing when people claim those are way above the mark.  
WTF!?  What kind of scuz bag shit is this?  So sorry, but I don't need to waste my time with you anymore.

For anybody else,
the $15.50 difference was from IHS Markit teardown analysis of Xbone S (w/ 4K/UHD BD drive) saying it cost $33.50.
Although they claim previous drive cost $18, while their original analysis when Xbone came out stated it cost $32 ($28 for OG PS4).
And of course, all those figures would include normal copyright protection, codec, etc, licencing costs,
which could plausibly be split out from base cost by having those features only delivered thru PSN-purchased player software.
The increased physical requirements for 4K/UHD spec BD is so minimal that manufacturing costs can not be significantly higher,
not the least when OG PS4 drive is already above base BD spec itself in terms of read speed etc.

And in fact it isn't clear that 4K/UHD-BD capability isn't just a firmware patch away, not just for Pro, but also Slim or OG PS4.
The only reason why they couldn't be so patched is lack of hardware specs, which hasn't been shown to date AFAIK. 
(interested to hear any solid sources on that, though)

Because 25$ was what Michael Patcher said it was in the video.

He mentions he talked to Sony. Im assumeing thats the number they gave him.

I ll take his word for it, just like I took the word of those teardown guys that rated the drive to be a addtional 15.5$ more.

Maybe there are more costs beyound just the drive, to get it to work? I dont know.

The reason I said that number was because thats the number referenced in the video I linked.

 

"WTF!?  What kind of scuz bag shit is this?  So sorry, but I don't need to waste my time with you anymore."

That sounds kinda personal man lol.

Does it matter if its 15.5 or 25$ saved? point is Sony felt it was the smarter choice.

Did they pass on the saveing to the consumer? or just pocket them? who knows, end of the day its their choice.

You can only vote with your wallet.

 

Also a teardown crew guessing at prices, or someone that supposedly asked sony.

How do you know Pratcher isnt the one with the right price?



DonFerrari said:
aLkaLiNE said:

This is through and through a business decision, whether it's because of a partnership with Netflix, because they don't want to cannibalize their incoming luxury UHD player, or because the market is moving toward digital faster than UHD is being adopted. Has nothing to do with faith, they've already proven themselves on that aspect.

 

I suppose it could also be because of console parity between the new slim/pro and OG but idk about that

Or like, if PS4 is to be substituted in 2 years by PS5 and the 4k TVs adoption rate doesn't show a profit on including the drive on PS4Pro that would be a reason.

To me, the most likely scenario is that if Sony were to reveal that newer standard BR drives hooked up to powerful hardware such as a computer or ps4/xb1 were just a firmware upgrade away from playing 4K content barring other physical hardware limitations such as HDMi2.0, then it would make the whole concept of "luxury $600 UHD player" obsolete and the profit margins would come way down for the rest of the members in the Blu Ray Association including big name players like Samsung, LG, Panasonic, Pioneer and a few more. The newer triple layer disc and drive speed is where the premium comes in, but with newer manufacturing techniques I can't fathom that there was ever any percievable increase in material cost.



Mr Puggsly said:
Ruler said:
no surprise gaming bolt is very biased against sony

Its not a bias video, its a valid argument more these 4K consoles.

I stream 1080p but it still looks worse than a DVD.

then get a 4K Blue Ray player, this is a gaming console the Xbox One S is 3 times less powerfull than the Pro and costs almost the same



Mr Puggsly said:
HokageTenshi said:

PS4 succeed sales over XBone mainly because it was made focus more on gaming...

Price was a more significant issue for X1...

yes, they added Kinect for easy voice navigation which isn't mainly for games