the-pi-guy said:
| Slimebeast said:
Of course it depends on what definition of racism you use.
1. But the vast majority when they talk about racism mean that somebody justifies discrimination, to treat another person worse, on the basis of race.
2. A milder definition is that racism is the idea that some races are somehow superior to others, but it doesn't necessarily justify unfair treatment of anybody else.
3. A third definition is that racism is the idea that humans kan be separated into several races and there exists differences between races.
I reject number 3. That's not racism and doesn't reflect the popular view of what constitutes racism.
I personally don't see number 2 as racism, but I realize that many do.
So if you don't specify your use of the word racism most people will assume you mean number 1. And there was no suggestion of mistreatment on the basis of race in that video.
The claim that blacks have an average IQ of 85 falls under category 3. Unless you add to that claim further, because treating other races unfairly doesn't automatically follow from that claim. If science would prove that that claim was true would everyone become a racist?
Are you a speciesist because you think dogs are smarter than cows? I don't think you are. But if you claim that dogs should be given more value and be treated better than cows based on their biological difference to cows then you are a speciesist.
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Race doesn't exist.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/01/racism-science-human-genomes-darwin
http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/disparities/05RacialInequality/Background%20PaperGenetics%20and%20Race.pdf
The only reason "race" comes up is because some people are racists and others are being mistreated because of their skin color. The only reason race is important is because people look down on each other for it. Race is a cultural thing. It could have been based on eye color, hair color or otherwise. It doesn't actually exist otherwise.
Claiming that one race is better than an other (2) is completely false. And yes it's completely racist.
3 is false.
2 is racist, claiming that some people are better than others based on nonexistant factors.
That's not even remotely the same thing.
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You are wrong. Race exists.
I checked all your sources and they were all by amateur writers with a political agenda. And they have crucial errors in their argumentation.
People need to understand that due to the topic of race being extremely sensitive and controversial people, including scientists, self-censor themselves. To many agitators the only acceptable opinion is that race doesn't exist. If a geneticist came out and said that race does exist and can be argued from a genetical basis his career would immediately be over.
Just take this thread. If there are so many racists out there, how come I'm the only person in this thread even remotely suggesting I believe in any of these concepts? And yet race is demonstrably a concept that is official politics in many nations of the world.
Actually I feel very uncomfortable taking on this discussion because lots of people who read the thread will assume I'm a racist and that's the only thing they will take out of this, "Slimebeast is that huge white supremacist racist". Who else would defend racist ideas but a racist? What have I to gain from defending this position and make myself a target for all the racist-hunters? And I need to be very careful how I express myself or I'm going to be hit with the ban hammer. It's very uncomfortable and that's the reason why people don't open their mouths on this topic while they silently agree.
Even if there would not be a biological good reason to classify people into races, you still have to acknowledge that it's official politics and that the majority of people in the world assume that it is meaningful to classify people into distinct races. And to add to the confusion even the anti-racists express themselves in racial terms and agitate for racial politics (benefits based on racial classification, I could name a dozens of different such policies suggested by anti-racists and I'm sure you are aware of some). Actually I believe you yourself think in terms of black and white and find them to be practical concepts sometimes.
So it's intellectually dishonest to just deny the concept of race and then accuse people of racism.
But, there actually exists good biological reasons to classify people into races, at least until the whole world has been mized together into a huge melting pot. And the classic definition of race is actually the same as the definition of subspecies in the animal world. If you explore the subject of animal taxonomy you will find that the definition of subspecies has a big subjective element, but nevertheless, even though people aren't perfect at distuingishing different animal subspecies from each other all the time, subspecies remains a meaningful concept to classify animals, and with the same logic race remains a meaningful concept to classify humans (not for all people and not under all circumstances, but nobody claims that).
Now, there is a cultural element to the historical definition of race, definitely, because humans are a cultural species and wherever humans are they will behave according to a mix of genetics and social imprint. But to claim it just as well could have been hair color or eye color simply does not hold to scrutiny, the race concept contains so much more.