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Snoopy on 14 September 2016
Hynad said:
That Guy from IGN is rather dumb, for sure.

And Colin, as usual, comes off as self-important.

I can understand the Pro isn't for everyone. But to say Sony wasn't clear about what and who the console is meant for? The Pro isn't meant for everyone, and Sony was clear about that. A lot of people don't care about having better graphics and performance, and a lot of people don't care about 4K or HDR. That console isn't for you if that's the case. But Sony was still very clear that this console is meant for the people that care about those things.

And when they mention that the XBox One S is in line with the PS4 Pro and the Scorpio will be something else entirely.

Seriously? The difference between the XBox One S and the regular PS4 is roughly 40%. And both consoles are said to be in the same ballpark. Now, the PS4 is over twice the power of the regular PS4, and the Scorpio will be roughly 40% more powerful that the Pro. But somehow, they're not in the same ballpark? WTF kind of shit double standard is that?

Microsoft has the better API and software to get the most out of their system. That is why Valve's own games performed better on Windows OS than Steam OS lol .  Also, there is a huge difference between 2 teraflops and 1/2 a teraflop. Not even mentioning the fact xbox one scropio will have a better CPU and Ram than the PS4 pro. Regular ps4 had more and better ram than xbox one, but not a better cpu or Api/software.



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Hynad on 14 September 2016
Snoopy said:
yvanjean said:

Did you even listen to what they said? Before you start calling people ignorants and being insulting  why don't you bother listening to what they have to say. 

They never claim that Xbox one S is graphicaly equal to the PS4 Pro, What was actually said was that this Holiday season Xbox one S will compete directly against PS4 Pro. If you have a 4K TV, your two options on console will be Xbox one S and PS4 Pro this holiday season.

PS4 Pro can't handle true 4k gaming unlike what is proposed by the Scorpio, that would put the Scorpio in a different league. Scorpio is also expect to handle high end VR experience.

This. Xbox Scorpio is in another league right now compare to pro. We aren't just talking just about the GPU, but CPU and ram as well. PS4 pro still uses the same CPU as the regular PS4 which is already weaker than xbox one. Not to mention it will be easier for devs to take full advantage of the Xbox Scorpio since Microsoft API is easily scalable. Don't believe me, just look at PC gaming. Thanks to direct x you can change the settings to 4k/high ultra settings to 1080p/ low settings by changing the settings in the menu. Microsoft will probably release a console every three years and guarantee each console a 6-7 year life span.

The PS4 Pro CPU is more powerful than the one in the XBox One S 1.74GHz vs 2.1gHz. Sorry to break your FUD.



Hynad on 14 September 2016
Snoopy said:
Hynad said:
That Guy from IGN is rather dumb, for sure.

And Colin, as usual, comes off as self-important.

I can understand the Pro isn't for everyone. But to say Sony wasn't clear about what and who the console is meant for? The Pro isn't meant for everyone, and Sony was clear about that. A lot of people don't care about having better graphics and performance, and a lot of people don't care about 4K or HDR. That console isn't for you if that's the case. But Sony was still very clear that this console is meant for the people that care about those things.

And when they mention that the XBox One S is in line with the PS4 Pro and the Scorpio will be something else entirely.

Seriously? The difference between the XBox One S and the regular PS4 is roughly 40%. And both consoles are said to be in the same ballpark. Now, the PS4 is over twice the power of the regular PS4, and the Scorpio will be roughly 40% more powerful that the Pro. But somehow, they're not in the same ballpark? WTF kind of shit double standard is that?

Microsoft has the better API and software to get the most out of their system. That is why Valve's own games performed better on Windows OS than Steam OS lol .  Also, there is a huge difference between 2 teraflops and 1/2 a teraflop. Not even mentioning the fact xbox one scropio will have a better CPU and Ram than the PS4 pro. Regular ps4 had more and better ram than xbox one, but not a better cpu or Api/software.

The API in the PS4 Pro is just as developer friendly as Direct X. So your claim is irrelevent. And both the XBox One and PS4 have the same amount of RAM, it's just not the same kind. One uses DDR3, the other GDDR5.



Lawlight on 14 September 2016
hunter_alien said:
Versus_Evil said:
The insecurity of people on this site is hilarious.

While I do agree that that is often the case, the thing is that IGN (as far as I know) is still the worlds biggest gaming website (based on views and revenue it generates). I doubt that it would be a huge thing to ask to actually create content with people who actually have a fairly decent idea about where the industry stands and what are your average technical specs when it comes to gaming hardware. This is not a whole lot to ask, considering that your daily forum dweller will recite them in his/her sleep.

Subjectivity and taste  is a totally different thing altogether (and every news caster might have his), but in the context the guy is speaking is ignorant at best and seriously missinforming at worst. If they consider themselves a serious and professional game news outlet, they should act as one. Just my 2 cents.

You took his bait.



Zekkyou on 14 September 2016
Versus_Evil said:
If he is talking about "power" ... what does Sony have to compete with the Scorpio on power? Nothing. So by all accounts Scorpio IS in a league of its own (unless ofc you bring pc into it) but he was clearly talking consoles.

When the two statements in the OT are made together, they become contradictory. Why does the Scorpio's expected power advantage put it in "another league" and mean the Pro "can't compete", and yet the same doesn't apply to the X1S and Pro, despite the Pro's advantage there being larger than even the most generous Scorpio prediction. It also ignore the reality that previous significant hardware gaps, like the PS4 vs X1, PS2 vs Xbox/GC, etc, didn't stop the lower-spec hardware being competitive. The X1 has certainly competed in the PS4's "league", and the PS2 sold so well league aren't even a discussion. So why the distinction? 

That just leaves stuff like the 4k blu-ray player, and that argument kind of falls apart too. It's certainly a great feature for those looking for an affordable 4k blu-ray player, but if that alone is so significant that it can mitigate the Pro's power advantage, then doesn't that put the X1S in pretty much the same league as the Scorpio too? :p Relatively speaking that's a pretty small jump after all. 



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Snoopy on 14 September 2016
Hynad said:
Snoopy said:

This. Xbox Scorpio is in another league right now compare to pro. We aren't just talking just about the GPU, but CPU and ram as well. PS4 pro still uses the same CPU as the regular PS4 which is already weaker than xbox one. Not to mention it will be easier for devs to take full advantage of the Xbox Scorpio since Microsoft API is easily scalable. Don't believe me, just look at PC gaming. Thanks to direct x you can change the settings to 4k/high ultra settings to 1080p/ low settings by changing the settings in the menu. Microsoft will probably release a console every three years and guarantee each console a 6-7 year life span.

The PS4 Pro CPU is more powerful than the one in the XBox One S 1.74GHz vs 2.1gHz. Sorry to break your FUD.

Sorry, was referring to regular ps4 cpu being weaker than xbox one cpu. All they did with PS4 pro cpu was overclock the regular ps4 cpu. That's not a good upgrade. Xbox scorpio should have a cpu almost twice as strong.

 

Here is my source.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-has-a-stronger-cpu-than-ps4-ark-survival-evolved-developer



Hynad on 14 September 2016
Snoopy said:
Hynad said:

The PS4 Pro CPU is more powerful than the one in the XBox One S 1.74GHz vs 2.1gHz. Sorry to break your FUD.

Sorry, was referring to regular ps4 cpu being weaker than xbox one cpu. All they did with PS4 pro cpu was overclock the regular ps4 cpu. That's not a good upgrade. Xbox scorpio should have a cpu almost twice as strong.

 

Here is my source.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-has-a-stronger-cpu-than-ps4-ark-survival-evolved-developer

I know all the details known about the Scorpio so far. Until it's out, the only thing we can go with is the difference in theoretical peak performance based on it's revealed TFLOPS output. And that puts it in no different a ballpark from the PS4 Pro than the XBox One S is in relation to the regular PS4. a 40% difference is a 40% difference. The Scorpio will manage to hit a native 4k resolution in more games than the PS4 Pro (which will rarely hit it for AAA games). But that's the same with the PS4 vs XBox One, where the latter barely ever uses a 1080p frame buffer and relies more on upscaling or simply opt for a lower resolution like 900p, compared to the PS4 games that more often deliver native 1080p. 

If the XBox One S and PS4 are in the same ballpark despite the power difference between both, then the same has to be said about the PS4 Pro and the Scorpio, since the power difference in both cases is the same. 



Snoopy on 14 September 2016
Hynad said:
Snoopy said:

Microsoft has the better API and software to get the most out of their system. That is why Valve's own games performed better on Windows OS than Steam OS lol .  Also, there is a huge difference between 2 teraflops and 1/2 a teraflop. Not even mentioning the fact xbox one scropio will have a better CPU and Ram than the PS4 pro. Regular ps4 had more and better ram than xbox one, but not a better cpu or Api/software.

The API in the PS4 Pro is just as developer friendly as Direct X. So your claim is irrelevent. And both the XBox One and PS4 have the same amount of RAM, it's just not the same kind. One uses DDR3, the other GDDR5.

I never aruged developer friendly, but performance. Microsoft direct x and Microsoft OS has always been the best in terms of performance and getting the most of your hardware. Remember, Microsoft is the biggest software company in the world pretty much and they beat out the competition like steam OS in terms of performance.  Not to mention most developers use direct x over opengl or the other alternatives that is why a lot of games aren't on Mac or perform worse on Mac.



Snoopy on 14 September 2016
Hynad said:
Snoopy said:

Sorry, was referring to regular ps4 cpu being weaker than xbox one cpu. All they did with PS4 pro cpu was overclock the regular ps4 cpu. That's not a good upgrade. Xbox scorpio should have a cpu almost twice as strong.

 

Here is my source.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-has-a-stronger-cpu-than-ps4-ark-survival-evolved-developer

I know all the details known about the Scorpio so far. Until it's out, the only thing we can go with is the difference in theoretical peak performance based on it's revealed TFLOPS output. And that puts it in no different a ballpark from the PS4 Pro than the XBox One S is in relation to the regular PS4. a 40% difference is a 40% difference. The Scorpio will manage to hit a native 4k resolution in more games than the PS4 Pro (which will rarely hit it for AAA games). But that's the same with the PS4 vs XBox One, where the latter barely ever uses a 1080p frame buffer and relies more on upscaling or simply opt for a lower resolution like 900p, compared to the PS4 games that more often deliver native 1080p. 

If the XBox One S and PS4 are in the same ballpark despite the power difference between both, then the same has to be said about the PS4 Pro and the Scorpio, since the power difference in both cases is the same. 

There is a bigger difference between 1080p and 4k then 1080p and 900p first off. Second off 40% difference is different in this situation in terms of GPU. Imagine an ant that is 1 mm long and there is another ant that is 1.4 mm long. You can't tell the difference unless you get a magnifying glass and even then it isn't a big deal. Now if the ant is 1 yard long and the other is 1.4 yards long then you can tell the difference for sure. This is obviously a bit of an exageration, but shows as numbers get bigger than the difference between the two is not only bigger but more noticeable. 



okr on 14 September 2016

The Xbox One S certainly is a beauty.