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Ucouldntbemorewrong on 14 September 2016
WagnerPaiva said:

She lies, she coughs, she loses elections.

She also faints and falls more than Maggie Simpson, according to her husband: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWVX5f6Y6zA

Face it. It is over. Trump won.

I am as right wing as it gets, I am a heterosexual born again christian that works nonstop since I was 13. So, yes, excuse me as I smile like it is going out of fashion...

So... what do you guys think?

He's gonna lose by a landslide.



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AZWification on 14 September 2016

This is going to very fun to watch regardless of who wins!



                
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Imaginedvl on 14 September 2016
Normchacho said:
Imaginedvl said:

The same available information who said he would never be the republican nominee ?
Sure :)

You're mistaking the available information with pundits. 

 

The data showed that he was going to win. Back in April Predictwise gave him an 80% chance of winning on the first ballot. 

I think you are mistaking it, not me. I'm pretty sude suveys were predicting Trump to never even be close to win the nomination for a long time.
Maybe you were hiding your head under a rock or something but I'm not making this up.

And yes at the end when it was obvious for Trump to win; the "data" showed him winning for sure (in April and so).

Same goes for now and like the nomination demonstrated, nothing is sure at all even with the "currently available data".
And looking at how things are going for Clinton lately, I do not think anything can be predictable at this point. Let's see after the debate.

By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter for your information (not that Clinton is really better anyway) but I would never vote for him.



dark_gh0st_b0y on 14 September 2016
Fei-Hung said:
The biggest sign that Trump is a trouble maker is that he gave Nigel Farage stage time and applauded him.

Nigel Farage is the essentially the British Trump. He dislikes foreigners, he dislikes Muslims, he has stereotypical views about different cultures and faiths and wants his country to completely isolated from the rest of the world.

The only people in history that have had views about their race, culture being superior to others have been the ones to start:

- Slavery
- Genocide
- Apartheid

Foreigners don't take jobs, they do the jobs others won't do. There is nothing stopping anyone getting the jobs the foreigners get.

Prohibiting terrorism by stopping Muslims coming in? Will you switch off the Internet? Will you stop government funded programs that have led to terrorists being created?

You think that by empowering a racist / supremacist ideology into people, it will bode well for current and feature generations?

Additionally, the man is a politician first and a Christian way further down the line.

Either way, you Americans are as screwed as it's brits. At least you get to pick between an egotistical hairy orange and the wicked witch.

We were given no choice but to have the wicked witch who has already put her plan in motion to replace the human rights act for a snooper act allowing the government to create detailed profiles on everyone which they will then sell onto various organisations.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/25/this-is-the-bombshell-dropped-by-theresa-mays-government-while-the-media-whined-on-about-traingate/

my thougts about Trump, more or less

the world has come this far (struggling) to reduce racism, Trump being elected would be a step backwards, not just for the US

also, someone must teach Trump that Christianity is about treating people with equality and fairness, neither of which he seems to apply lol

and I also count this as a negative
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/09/02/madonna-attacks-donald-trumps-sons-for-hunting-wild-leopard/

the only thing I could agree is stopping the illegal migration, because it's illegal



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

MikeRox on 14 September 2016
Fei-Hung said:
The biggest sign that Trump is a trouble maker is that he gave Nigel Farage stage time and applauded him.

Nigel Farage is the essentially the British Trump. He dislikes foreigners, he dislikes Muslims, he has stereotypical views about different cultures and faiths and wants his country to completely isolated from the rest of the world.

The only people in history that have had views about their race, culture being superior to others have been the ones to start:

- Slavery
- Genocide
- Apartheid

Foreigners don't take jobs, they do the jobs others won't do. There is nothing stopping anyone getting the jobs the foreigners get.

Prohibiting terrorism by stopping Muslims coming in? Will you switch off the Internet? Will you stop government funded programs that have led to terrorists being created?

You think that by empowering a racist / supremacist ideology into people, it will bode well for current and feature generations?

Additionally, the man is a politician first and a Christian way further down the line.

Either way, you Americans are as screwed as it's brits. At least you get to pick between an egotistical hairy orange and the wicked witch.

We were given no choice but to have the wicked witch who has already put her plan in motion to replace the human rights act for a snooper act allowing the government to create detailed profiles on everyone which they will then sell onto various organisations.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/25/this-is-the-bombshell-dropped-by-theresa-mays-government-while-the-media-whined-on-about-traingate/

Id streer clear of the canary if you want an objective view on politics, you are pretty much buying into the left side mirror of the right that you deteste. Breitbart would be their peer. Not even the mail, sun, mirror or express are as bad.

 

That was not "quietly put out" during #traingate. It was a flipping manifesto pledge in 2015 and lo behold they won that election so were expected to go through with it.

Replacing one bill of rights with another, is not the same thing as "scrapping human rights". Just like stopping full freedom of movement is not the same as no migration.

At the moment there is a right battle going on for the hearts and minds in the UK. One side says we're free and will rule the world over again, the other says we're doomed to making places like Zimbabwe more affluent than us.

 

It has been very eye opening as to just how hysterical and gullible both sides of the arguments "followers" are.

 

As for the US and Trump... I still don't think it's likely he will win. Whether it is Hillary on the ballot paper at the time remains to be seen. I think if polls turn against her in the coming weeks she will be begged to reconsider her position.

If Trump does win, he is going to be the most impotent president the US has ever has and will be so moderated it is like he is on ritalin. Both houses will be keeping tabs on everything. And if they do lose grip, assassination wouldn't surprise me.

 

The real issue on both brexit and the US election is, what are political classes going to now do to gain some credibility. Decades of complacency is crashing down on them and they have no idea how to deal with it.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

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fatslob-:O on 14 September 2016
Normchacho said:

If you read my post again you'll notice that I don't say nationalism has anything to do with our foreign intervention.

Globalism has nothing to do with individualism.

Democracy or any specific political system also has nothing to do with Globalism.

What point are you even trying to make here?

Your the one who pried in to respond to me so figure out the last line yourself ... 

You say that sovereignty and national interests are the basis for foreign entanglement but you can't have sovereignty or national interests without nationalism as they go hand in hand ... 

Interventionism =/= Nationalism, that's a mistake that you fail to realize on your part in plain sight ... 

The rise of globalism is corroborated with rise in global powers. We cannot have global powers as they have potential to be more authoritarian than national powers just like in the case how no other power can challenge the EU or NATO for that matter ... 

Globalism is THE biggest threat to individual freedoms if a government cannot be challenged ... 



Squall_Leonhart on 14 September 2016

Born again Christian... Lol!! This whole election makes me so glad the UK is one of the least religious developed countries!

Religion has no part in politics!



Fei-Hung on 14 September 2016
MikeRox said:
Fei-Hung said:
The biggest sign that Trump is a trouble maker is that he gave Nigel Farage stage time and applauded him.

Nigel Farage is the essentially the British Trump. He dislikes foreigners, he dislikes Muslims, he has stereotypical views about different cultures and faiths and wants his country to completely isolated from the rest of the world.

The only people in history that have had views about their race, culture being superior to others have been the ones to start:

- Slavery
- Genocide
- Apartheid

Foreigners don't take jobs, they do the jobs others won't do. There is nothing stopping anyone getting the jobs the foreigners get.

Prohibiting terrorism by stopping Muslims coming in? Will you switch off the Internet? Will you stop government funded programs that have led to terrorists being created?

You think that by empowering a racist / supremacist ideology into people, it will bode well for current and feature generations?

Additionally, the man is a politician first and a Christian way further down the line.

Either way, you Americans are as screwed as it's brits. At least you get to pick between an egotistical hairy orange and the wicked witch.

We were given no choice but to have the wicked witch who has already put her plan in motion to replace the human rights act for a snooper act allowing the government to create detailed profiles on everyone which they will then sell onto various organisations.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/25/this-is-the-bombshell-dropped-by-theresa-mays-government-while-the-media-whined-on-about-traingate/

Id streer clear of the canary if you want an objective view on politics, you are pretty much buying into the left side mirror of the right that you deteste. Breitbart would be their peer. Not even the mail, sun, mirror or express are as bad.

 

That was not "quietly put out" during #traingate. It was a flipping manifesto pledge in 2015 and lo behold they won that election so were expected to go through with it.

Replacing one bill of rights with another, is not the same thing as "scrapping human rights". Just like stopping full freedom of movement is not the same as no migration.

At the moment there is a right battle going on for the hearts and minds in the UK. One side says we're free and will rule the world over again, the other says we're doomed to making places like Zimbabwe more affluent than us.

 

It has been very eye opening as to just how hysterical and gullible both sides of the arguments "followers" are.

 

As for the US and Trump... I still don't think it's likely he will win. Whether it is Hillary on the ballot paper at the time remains to be seen. I think if polls turn against her in the coming weeks she will be begged to reconsider her position.

If Trump does win, he is going to be the most impotent president the US has ever has and will be so moderated it is like he is on ritalin. Both houses will be keeping tabs on everything. And if they do lose grip, assassination wouldn't surprise me.

 

The real issue on both brexit and the US election is, what are political classes going to now do to gain some credibility. Decades of complacency is crashing down on them and they have no idea how to deal with it.

Right wing it not, and whether it is was snuck in or not, the fact remains that she is wanting to scrap / replace the human rights act with something that will give her / the government more power and rights over an individuals freedom. They essentially are essentially saying they have the rights to sell any of your data that they can gather to any of their partners. Unlike Facebook,  Google etc there is mo option of not signing up other than staying of the internet completely. 

 

Naturally, this will also impair ones right to freedom of speech as it will allow the government to single out anyone they don't like for having a different view / opinion and then pick them, their friends and family  apart from what they can find.

 

As fictional as V for Vendetta was, this is where Britain will be heading towards if she gets her way. And as crazy as it may seem or foil hat worthy, why create such laws of not to use them. 



Ljink96 on 14 September 2016

Trump has too small of a voter base to win anything. Yeah, he has a portion of white males, and for some reason middle aged to elderly white women but as we all know, America is made up of many different ethnicities and creeds. He doesn't have Women's vote, he doesn't have the African American vote, the doesn't have the Latino vote. Let polls be polls, when it comes down to it Trump just doesn't have the support the internet would like you to think.

I personally would have liked Sanders to run but Hillary is going to win this one by a landslide.



MikeRox on 14 September 2016
Fei-Hung said:
MikeRox said:

Id streer clear of the canary if you want an objective view on politics, you are pretty much buying into the left side mirror of the right that you deteste. Breitbart would be their peer. Not even the mail, sun, mirror or express are as bad.

 

That was not "quietly put out" during #traingate. It was a flipping manifesto pledge in 2015 and lo behold they won that election so were expected to go through with it.

Replacing one bill of rights with another, is not the same thing as "scrapping human rights". Just like stopping full freedom of movement is not the same as no migration.

At the moment there is a right battle going on for the hearts and minds in the UK. One side says we're free and will rule the world over again, the other says we're doomed to making places like Zimbabwe more affluent than us.

 

It has been very eye opening as to just how hysterical and gullible both sides of the arguments "followers" are.

 

As for the US and Trump... I still don't think it's likely he will win. Whether it is Hillary on the ballot paper at the time remains to be seen. I think if polls turn against her in the coming weeks she will be begged to reconsider her position.

If Trump does win, he is going to be the most impotent president the US has ever has and will be so moderated it is like he is on ritalin. Both houses will be keeping tabs on everything. And if they do lose grip, assassination wouldn't surprise me.

 

The real issue on both brexit and the US election is, what are political classes going to now do to gain some credibility. Decades of complacency is crashing down on them and they have no idea how to deal with it.

Right wing it not, and whether it is was snuck in or not, the fact remains that she is wanting to scrap / replace the human rights act with something that will give her / the government more power and rights over an individuals freedom. They essentially are essentially saying they have the rights to sell any of your data that they can gather to any of their partners. Unlike Facebook,  Google etc there is mo option of not signing up other than staying of the internet completely. 

 

Naturally, this will also impair ones right to freedom of speech as it will allow the government to single out anyone they don't like for having a different view / opinion and then pick them, their friends and family  apart from what they can find.

 

As fictional as V for Vendetta was, this is where Britain will be heading towards if she gets her way. And as crazy as it may seem or foil hat worthy, why create such laws of not to use them. 

 

It was an election manifesto pledge. Like it or not people actually voted for it. The outcry would actually be if they DIDN'T go through with it.

A lot of people it would seem were rather upset that it took years of legal wrangling to try and deport suspected terrorists.

It's kinda similar to what successive governments have unleashed in attitudes towards immigration.

Head in sand ignore concerns. Tell everyone what they don't like is actually good for them and they just don't understand, then wonder wtf voters suddenly reject them.

 

The biggest problem really is Labour. They are currently about as useful as a used tampon and falling to provide any coherent opposition to scrutinise what the Tories are doing.

I suspect to some extent, the lib dems tempered the Tories last time around. I was hopeful of another coalition this time around.

I do think there were some things needed revisiting in our human rights act, the problem is the current labour party situation is just giving carte blanche to do whatever.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.