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Wasn't Brazil's economy booming in the years before 2008 (or whenever it was the global financial crysis hit your country)? Or am I rong?

I fink you hade a nice 5% GDP yearly growf and wages went up. But the crysis has gone on for much longer in Brazil than it did in the West.



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Slimebeast said:
invetedlotus123 said:

I do want to move to Europe, but only for a good country like France or Germany, if its to move to those Others I see no point too. PS4 costs 1800 BRL and a GTX 1070 costs around 2500 BRL.

Interesting. What other Europan countries would you move to if you couldn't move to Fra or Ger? Name at least 5.

So the PS4 and GTX 1070 cost about 40-50% more over there than they do in Sweden. That's a lot of money. You have this extremely high tax put on all imported goods right?

Eastern Europe is a no-no for obvious reasons. See my last post. If I had the chance to move to europe but couldn`t go for either France and Germany I`d like to go Luxembourg because there`s a lot of  money there, or Monaco.



Slimebeast said:
Wasn't Brazil's economy booming in the years before 2008 (or whenever it was the global financial crysis hit your country)? Or am I rong?

I fink you hade a nice 5% GDP yearly growf and wages went up. But the crysis has gone on for much longer in Brazil than it did in the West.

It was a fake. And the Crisis that have hitted us from 2014 til now destroyed everything we grew in the 5 years prior. Brazil economy is being dismantled. It`s sad because we can actually see the crisis happening, loads of business closing doors, loads of people that got extremely qualified for the future that was promised us are now having a hard time to find a job at a call center, people living in the street are becoming more common than we should be confortable with. 

And what is worse is while the wages are becoming lower the prices are increasing in horrenduous rates, and for basic things like food, water and electricity. Going to the supermarket is now a nightmare and many low income families are having to rationalize food so they don`t starve. Housing in any big city is also a nightmare. Renting prices went up so much that, like in my city, that a basic apartment in a middle class neighborhood price for renting is 1000 BRL per month, excluding any other house costs. 

In Rio De Janeiro things are even worse, in some neighborhoods there the price for a very basic flat can reach 2 million BRL, it`s cheaper to buy a castle in FRance than an apartment in Leblon or Barra ( Rio neighborhoods).



invetedlotus123 said:
setsunatenshi said:

Are you saying other European countries other than .fr and .de aren't good countries? Just to clarify, lol

More or so.  Portugal, Spain, Greece, Italy and Ireland aren`t that much better. I never in my life want to live in the UK. Nordic countries are nice but I couldn`t handle the wheather, Switzerland is way too boring, Belgium and Holland are kinda meh too. France is France, the country that pushed human rights as we know them today and have great food, Germany even in a middle of a crisis was growing.

well, in terms of what you were originally complaining in this topic, literally every single country you mentioned will have 1) great internet connection in terms of price/quality with no data caps, 2) normally priced hardware and software, as in, the consoles/games/pc components/etc will cost the same everywhere and decent wages for the cost of living in each country. not to mention general safety, good healthcare and well educated populations.

there have been some problems as well, mostly since the 2007 economic crysis, especially on unemployment. but nothing even remotely as bad as what's been happening in Brasil recently.

 

Anyway, Willkommen bei Deutschland / Bienvenue dans la France I guess :)

but still, thanks for clarifying better what you meant



invetedlotus123 said:
Slimebeast said:

Interesting. What other Europan countries would you move to if you couldn't move to Fra or Ger? Name at least 5.

So the PS4 and GTX 1070 cost about 40-50% more over there than they do in Sweden. That's a lot of money. You have this extremely high tax put on all imported goods right?

Eastern Europe is a no-no for obvious reasons. See my last post. If I had the chance to move to europe but couldn`t go for either France and Germany I`d like to go Luxembourg because there`s a lot of  money there, or Monaco.

"because there`s a lot of  money there" Now that was a straightforward answer.

And what would you do for a living?



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BraLoD said:
Slimebeast said:
Wasn't Brazil's economy booming in the years before 2008 (or whenever it was the global financial crysis hit your country)? Or am I rong?

I fink you hade a nice 5% GDP yearly growf and wages went up. But the crysis has gone on for much longer in Brazil than it did in the West.

You are not wrong, but not right as well.
Brazil economy was indeed quite high during the crisis on USA, but that was just a pile of problems stocked behind a pretty mask that finally exploded recently and put us back into shit.

At some point the USD was 1.5:1 to the BRL, but it went over 4.2:1 when shit went real here and but it's getting more tame now as Dilma got taken away.

Brazil's economy was never truly strong, both times it was in evidence was because of heavy shitty behind it, both during our recent military dictatorship and now the PT government.

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invetedlotus123 said:
Slimebeast said:
Wasn't Brazil's economy booming in the years before 2008 (or whenever it was the global financial crysis hit your country)? Or am I rong?

I fink you hade a nice 5% GDP yearly growf and wages went up. But the crysis has gone on for much longer in Brazil than it did in the West.

It was a fake. And the Crisis that have hitted us from 2014 til now destroyed everything we grew in the 5 years prior. Brazil economy is being dismantled. It`s sad because we can actually see the crisis happening, loads of business closing doors, loads of people that got extremely qualified for the future that was promised us are now having a hard time to find a job at a call center, people living in the street are becoming more common than we should be confortable with. 

And what is worse is while the wages are becoming lower the prices are increasing in horrenduous rates, and for basic things like food, water and electricity. Going to the supermarket is now a nightmare and many low income families are having to rationalize food so they don`t starve. Housing in any big city is also a nightmare. Renting prices went up so much that, like in my city, that a basic apartment in a middle class neighborhood price for renting is 1000 BRL per month, excluding any other house costs. 

In Rio De Janeiro things are even worse, in some neighborhoods there the price for a very basic flat can reach 2 million BRL, it`s cheaper to buy a castle in FRance than an apartment in Leblon or Barra ( Rio neighborhoods).

Sounds a lot like the Greek crysis with the "fake" economy and inflated numbers giving totally the wrong picture of the state of the economy, hiding all the problems with banks and state economy and loans.

I remember back in the early 00's, according to official statistics Greece

Wow, Brazil lost almost 2/3ds of the value of its currency?!

So the latest crysis is only from 2014?

You say 1000BRL per month for a basic apartment in a middle class neighborhood (it doesn't sound so bad). Is that like 2 small rooms and a kitchen in a big apartment building? Such an apartment in Sweden costs 2,500 - 3,500 BRL ($750-1100)

Do you have any friend or relative who lives in a Favela?



I like that the Sega megadrive is still alive in Brazil though. That's awesome. You got all the gaming you need right there :D



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Slimebeast said:

 

I remember back in the early 00's, according to official statistics GreeceSounds a lot like the Greek crysis with the "fake" economy and inflated numbers giving totally the wrong picture of the state of the economy, hiding all the problems with banks and state economy and loans.

Wow, Brazil lost almost 2/3ds of the value of its currency?!

So the latest crysis is only from 2014?

You say 1000BRL per month for a basic apartment in a middle class neighborhood (it doesn't sound so bad). Is that like 2 small rooms and a kitchen in a big apartment building? Such an apartment in Sweden costs 2,500 - 3,500 BRL ($750-1100)

Do you have any friend or relative who lives in a Favela?

In my city at least the concept of favela is very different than we have in cities like Salvador, Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. Here we have the central areas of the city, far away neighborhoods where the poor populations lives and the holy grail of housing that are the closed condominiums. Closed condominiums are kinda of a House Club where people buy really expensive land to buy high end houses and pay very expensive taxes for a central administration to take care of everything inside it's walls, from security, transit and etc. so they can isolate themselves from the rest of the city. 

Those poorneighborhoods often have problems with extreme violence, drugs traffics and almost no basic infrastructure. And that said, no, I don't know nobody that leaves there. Since I'm middle-class I live in a middle-class world of private schools (public schools are only for those who can't afford a private one), hanging on the mall and going to middle-class places. Social segregation is very strong. And it isn't that I'm rich, it's just I wad born within a family that had a better income than most. 

The price of the rent becomes expensive when compared to the avareage wages. 1000 BRL looks nice, but if we remember that minimum wage is 880 BRL and that most educated people have an income of around 3 or 4 k per month it becomes pretty expensive. 



BHeletrica said:

I agree whith you that some non profitable companies can be more valuable than profitable ones. But my real point is that unlike amazon, Elon Musk companies arent serious. Look at his portfolio: colonize mars? we cant even do it on the moon yet! the hyperloop? the tecnology to do this kind of traveling possible does not exist! In the case of tesla the tecnology is there but its not optmized yet for the market, it can take decades even a century to the electric car price become comparable to the oil car. What im really trying to say is that elon musk main goal is to sell an ilusion, the real final product is a mere casuality if it hapens.

Elektrical Cars are relatively affordable and start to compete with Oil Cars atleast in the upper Class. Tesla and BMW i3 are a regular picture for me. In 1-2 decades oil cars will be replaced by Electric cars. I say that because I see first hand how the Automotive Industry in Germany is investing Billions. All my friends who studied electro engineering are working in R&D for Bosch Varta Mercedes Porsche. There is a market and it will hit everyone very soon.  Or else nobody would spend money for that. Porsche Mercedes Volkswagen BMW all of them will expand their investments in to this technology even more. I dont give a fuck about Musk and if he is a conman or not. But Tesla undoubtedly woke the german manufactures. EVs are here to stay and will come fast. 



Slimebeast said:
invetedlotus123 said:

Eastern Europe is a no-no for obvious reasons. See my last post. If I had the chance to move to europe but couldn`t go for either France and Germany I`d like to go Luxembourg because there`s a lot of  money there, or Monaco.

"because there`s a lot of  money there" Now that was a straightforward answer.

And what would you do for a living?

I would try to become a internation lawyer of some sort, since I get my degree in Law this year.