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NightDragon83 on 09 September 2016
Soundwave said:

There's lots of ironies and hypocrisies like for example Sony being the one that touted the Playstation brand as being the central hub for games AND movies, etc. now suddenly acting like Nintendo during the GameCube era when Nintendo was given a lot of grief back then for being "game focused". It's also ironic to spend an hour talking up 4KTV and then release a console that doesn't really do native 4K for games or movies. 

And so on and so on.

To be honest who cares if Sony is criticized. Why does it bother some people so much? Microsoft and Nintendo take more than their fair share of criticism all the time, Sony is not exempt from making poor decisions. It happens. Let people vent, not everyone has to love every decision they make. They are just another company.

If the situation was reversed and Sony was making the Scorpio and MS was making the XBox Pro with no 4K UHD support and no native 4K, you can bet Microsoft would be getting blasted for it with lots of "wait for Playstation Scorpio, MS dun goofed again!". Is it the end of the world? No. Should Sony be exempt from any kind of criticism no matter what? That's equally a no.

I was just going to bring that point up about Sony fans declaring the PlayStation platform is all about "focusing on the games" this gen as a knock towards M$, when Nintendo has basically been all about the games since day 1 and yet they got all kinds of crap for not including DVD movie playback with the GC, which of course was a big reason (if not THE reason) why the PS2 was so successful early on: being a relatively affordable DVD player at a time when standalone DVD players cost $300 and up.

There's nothing hypocritical about people criticizing Sony's decision to go with the expensive Blu-Ray technology at the beginning of last gen which ballooned the PS3's cost to $500-$600 and cost them their dominance in the console market, while praising M$'s decision to include 4k Blu-Ray playback & 4k streaming in their console at an affordable $299 price point today.  The PS4 was rightfully praised for being more powerful than the X1 while doing pretty much everything the X1 does at a lower price point which made it the clear frontrunner this gen, and Sony fans haven't stopped gloating and rubbing everyone else's face in the mud since.



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LivingMetal on 09 September 2016
darkenergy said:
LivingMetal said:

No one ever said "Sony can't do wrong."  And it's a fact that Microsoft/Xbox supporters have cried "abuse" here on these forums.  The most recent case was the accusation that users were abusing the news voting system to target Xbox users.  In fact, Soundwave just admitted that people are also bothered by the criticism of Microsoft by painting the alternate scenario he just described.  You guys are just proving my point more and more.

Some supporters not all, also the person who had a problem with the voting system was not even a huge MS/Xbox supporter he was mostly a PC gamer. 

I never said "all."  Please stop making things up to bolster an argument.  This is your second attempt at the very least.  Strawman tactics will not work with me.



darkenergy on 09 September 2016
LivingMetal said:
darkenergy said:

Some supporters not all, also the person who had a problem with the voting system was not even a huge MS/Xbox supporter he was mostly a PC gamer. 

I never said "all."  Please stop making things up to bolster an argument.  This is your second attempt at the very least.  Strawman tactics will not work with me.

Maybe adding "all" wasn't the best choice of words but still if I was trying to make an argument about it I would've keep going on about it but I didnt.



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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 09 September 2016

Then tell the Sony fans to stop bashing xbox for the same shit. It goes both ways, remember that.



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mysteryman on 09 September 2016
Ljink96 said:
Like everybody has 4K TVs to take advantage of a 4K Blu Ray. I don't understand the backlash against not including it. I'm sure Sony was trying to aim for the $399 mark and for what they've done with Pro, 399 is a great price point. A 4K Blu Ray would at least push it to 450-500$ which is past the point of no return from a price point perspective. It won't affect how Pro performs in sales, people just have to find something wrong with something. I still think the Pro is a very awkward console, but it doesn't deserve the hate for something as trivial and underused as 4K Bluray.

I'd imagine those buying a PS4pro would have 4K TVs, no?

It personally doesn't affect me, as I have no 4K TV for either 4K Blurays or the PS4pro, so I will be getting neither. But it is strange to see that Playstation is suddenly "only about the games" despite championing various entertainment media formats throughout their generations.

I don't believe the cost increase to be anywhere near what is implied, but more improtantly that a price increase would even matter. The PS4pro is to be the premium PS4, for hardcore fans and those who have invested in 4K TVs.It is essentially a tech demo for 4K, and the small, niche userbase are not shy when it comes to spending for the experience.

There also seems to be a disconnect in the argument that 4K Blurays aren't worth it when the previous format is good enough, yet this is the exact premise for the existence of the PS4pro.

Again, I'm not buying a PS4pro either way. I just find it an illogical omission given the company's history and the intent of the device.



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LivingMetal on 09 September 2016
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
Then tell the Sony fans to stop bashing xbox for the same shit. It goes both ways, remember that.

Then you start a thread with specifics to back your point of view. And for the record, I convinced a coworker just today to buy an Xbox One. Truth. 



mjk45 on 09 September 2016
NightDragon83 said:
Soundwave said:

There's lots of ironies and hypocrisies like for example Sony being the one that touted the Playstation brand as being the central hub for games AND movies, etc. now suddenly acting like Nintendo during the GameCube era when Nintendo was given a lot of grief back then for being "game focused". It's also ironic to spend an hour talking up 4KTV and then release a console that doesn't really do native 4K for games or movies. 

And so on and so on.

To be honest who cares if Sony is criticized. Why does it bother some people so much? Microsoft and Nintendo take more than their fair share of criticism all the time, Sony is not exempt from making poor decisions. It happens. Let people vent, not everyone has to love every decision they make. They are just another company.

If the situation was reversed and Sony was making the Scorpio and MS was making the XBox Pro with no 4K UHD support and no native 4K, you can bet Microsoft would be getting blasted for it with lots of "wait for Playstation Scorpio, MS dun goofed again!". Is it the end of the world? No. Should Sony be exempt from any kind of criticism no matter what? That's equally a no.

I was just going to bring that point up about Sony fans declaring the PlayStation platform is all about "focusing on the games" this gen as a knock towards M$, when Nintendo has basically been all about the games since day 1 and yet they got all kinds of crap for not including DVD movie playback with the GC, which of course was a big reason (if not THE reason) why the PS2 was so successful early on: being a relatively affordable DVD player at a time when standalone DVD players cost $300 and up.

There's nothing hypocritical about people criticizing Sony's decision to go with the expensive Blu-Ray technology at the beginning of last gen which ballooned the PS3's cost to $500-$600 and cost them their dominance in the console market, while praising M$'s decision to include 4k Blu-Ray playback & 4k streaming in their console at an affordable $299 price point today.  The PS4 was rightfully praised for being more powerful than the X1 while doing pretty much everything the X1 does at a lower price point which made it the clear frontrunner this gen, and Sony fans haven't stopped gloating and rubbing everyone else's face in the mud since.

 Blu-Ray wasn't the only factor in the PS3's price point, the cell had an equal if not greatershare in the cost.



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JRPGfan on 09 September 2016

How many here own 4k Blu-ray movies?
How many of those are "real" 4k ones, and just just some 2k ones up ressed?

Im guessing the number is probably small.



mjk45 on 09 September 2016
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
Then tell the Sony fans to stop bashing xbox for the same shit. It goes both ways, remember that.

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LivingMetal on 09 September 2016
mysteryman said:
Ljink96 said:
Like everybody has 4K TVs to take advantage of a 4K Blu Ray. I don't understand the backlash against not including it. I'm sure Sony was trying to aim for the $399 mark and for what they've done with Pro, 399 is a great price point. A 4K Blu Ray would at least push it to 450-500$ which is past the point of no return from a price point perspective. It won't affect how Pro performs in sales, people just have to find something wrong with something. I still think the Pro is a very awkward console, but it doesn't deserve the hate for something as trivial and underused as 4K Bluray.

I'd imagine those buying a PS4pro would have 4K TVs, no?

It personally doesn't affect me, as I have no 4K TV for either 4K Blurays or the PS4pro, so I will be getting neither. But it is strange to see that Playstation is suddenly "only about the games" despite championing various entertainment media formats throughout their generations.

I don't believe the cost increase to be anywhere near what is implied, but more improtantly that a price increase would even matter. The PS4pro is to be the premium PS4, for hardcore fans and those who have invested in 4K TVs.It is essentially a tech demo for 4K, and the small, niche userbase are not shy when it comes to spending for the experience.

There also seems to be a disconnect in the argument that 4K Blurays aren't worth it when the previous format is good enough, yet this is the exact premise for the existence of the PS4pro.

Again, I'm not buying a PS4pro either way. I just find it an illogical omission given the company's history and the intent of the device.

I don't have a 4K TV and I'm buying a Pro. And Sony publicly stated that they recognize the growth and demand of streaming is why they excluded 4K Blu Ray playback while emphasizing gameplay on a 4k Set. Whether you believe them or not, what they say is reasonable. That was their expressed intent.