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Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

I don't really even think the console functions of the NX are going to be the primary focus, they're more like a bonus. Mobile chips have gotten to the point where they can produce graphics beyond a Wii U, so adding the TV out functionality makes sense and it saves Nintendo the hassle of having to make an entire console platform that only like 15 million Nintendo fans are interested in. 

They need to maintain their 3DS base and attract some (they're never going to match smartphone or tablet exactly) of those kids playing on iOS/Android to graduate up to an NX. 

Yes. You have been right with your analysis of new Nintendo strategy from the beginning.

The hybrid NX is a genious design, if their thinking is such, that the TV functionality is a (relatively cheap) bonus.

I forgot again, is the Tegra 1 as powerful as a Wii U?

If it is I think it's perfectly enough graphical quality for Nintendo games for now.

Also, their presence on mobile could attract smartphone guys to migrate to the NX, if the NX becomes talked about in mainstream media and if it's able to conquer some mindshare.

Tegra X1 should be a decent amount better than a Wii U but they'd have to make a few modifications to it. Also it depends how hard they restrain the chip in mobile mode (if they do so at all). That's also obviously a limiting factor. 

I'm guessing probably like double the Wii U in performance ... which is dissapointing for a home console, but again I don't think Nintendo really cares much about that. It would be great for a portable. 



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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
I think Nintendo is really in touch with reality now. It smells huge success, everything they do now. The mobile strat, partnering with Apple, the hybrid NX, how they designed the new Zelda. Right now they make all the right decisions, they do everything as well as you could possibly do if you are Nintendo. It screams success.

This is why I think NX has to be able to run smart apps. They're not going to get far if they force kids to choose between their tablet and NX; NX needs to accomodate the apps that those kids are already playing (Angry Birds, Pokemon Go, apps like Snapchat) and *then* add Nintendo gaming into their diet. 

If they get stubborn and try to tell kids to only accept their walled ecosystem and forget about those other smart apps ... they're going to get themselves into trouble again. 

How Nintendo does that ... an Android fork or a custom Nintendo OS that still can somehow run mobile apps or something that allows mobile app makers to port their app very, very, very simply, I don't know. They need to figure that out though.

I don't know about that. You mean that the NX should run Android apps? You have heavily argued this before, haven't you?

Where did you get this idea? Did you come up with it yourself lol?

It sounds like it could be a good strategy, but talking just from a pure emotional perspective, I hate Android and Apple so I wouldn't want to have these apps on my future NX.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes. You have been right with your analysis of new Nintendo strategy from the beginning.

The hybrid NX is a genious design, if their thinking is such, that the TV functionality is a (relatively cheap) bonus.

I forgot again, is the Tegra 1 as powerful as a Wii U?

If it is I think it's perfectly enough graphical quality for Nintendo games for now.

Also, their presence on mobile could attract smartphone guys to migrate to the NX, if the NX becomes talked about in mainstream media and if it's able to conquer some mindshare.

Tegra X1 should be a decent amount better than a Wii U but they'd have to make a few modifications to it. Also it depends how hard they restrain the chip in mobile mode (if they do so at all). That's also obviously a limiting factor. 

I'm guessing probably like double the Wii U in performance ... which is dissapointing for a home console, but again I don't think Nintendo really cares much about that. It would be great for a portable. 

Cool! Always when I go to an electronics store and see a Wii U (pretending to be a parent looking for a toy for his kids), I love those graphics. I can't even imagine to have them on a small mobile screen. It will look very professional.

But even on the big screen TV, the Wii U graphics are great for the type of games Nintendo makes, the colorful games. They still look so crisp and clear and amazing.

But I just don't understand the battery time. My small mobile phone (Samsung S4 Mini), I can only browse the f***ng internet for like 2 hours and the batteries are over!! And it's a small phone.

So how can you run Wii U graphics more than a half an hour??



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

This is why I think NX has to be able to run smart apps. They're not going to get far if they force kids to choose between their tablet and NX; NX needs to accomodate the apps that those kids are already playing (Angry Birds, Pokemon Go, apps like Snapchat) and *then* add Nintendo gaming into their diet. 

If they get stubborn and try to tell kids to only accept their walled ecosystem and forget about those other smart apps ... they're going to get themselves into trouble again. 

How Nintendo does that ... an Android fork or a custom Nintendo OS that still can somehow run mobile apps or something that allows mobile app makers to port their app very, very, very simply, I don't know. They need to figure that out though.

I don't know about that. You mean that the NX should run Android apps? You have heavily argued this before, haven't you?

Where did you get this idea? Did you come up with it yourself lol?

It sounds like it could be a good strategy, but talking just from a pure emotional perspective, I hate Android and Apple so I wouldn't want to have these apps on my future NX.

It comes from a Nikkei report actually, they said their sources have told them NX would run an Android "based" OS. I think they got the gist of this correct (it will run apps) but not vanilla Android (or certainly not a non-custom version of it). Something custom to Nintendo but can run the apps or run them easily. 

Nikkei has been right about many things before, they said Nintendo was making a 3DS XL, Nintendo denied this, then announced 3DS XL like a month later. They said Nintendo was making smartphone games, Nintendo denied this, then announced like 9 months later they're making smartphone games and the idea had been brewing for over a year. 

Nikkei also reported that Nintendo was making a Seaman game for 3DS ... now you can say, well that never happened, but actually at Mr. Iwata's funeral the creator of Seaman confirmed he was working on a Seaman game for Nintendo, it just ran into development problems and never came out. 

So yeah, I trust Nikkei, also I think logically it just makes sense. Nintendo is never going to win an arguement with kids if the arguement is "put away your smartphone apps and play our walled ecosystem instead". Kids are not going to let go of the apps they love and they're not going to carry around two large devices to play with. 

Plus there's money to make from these apps ... Apple/Google take a 30% cut all revenue from iOS/Google Play store. On NX, that revenue would go to Nintendo. So there's strong financial motivation as well, especially given Nintendo's unreliable 3rd party relationships and not being able to rely on licensing fees there. 



Wife play iPhone, noooooo Nintendo.
Kids first game machine is smartphone, nooooooooooo 3ds

Broken english, I love it.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't know about that. You mean that the NX should run Android apps? You have heavily argued this before, haven't you?

Where did you get this idea? Did you come up with it yourself lol?

It sounds like it could be a good strategy, but talking just from a pure emotional perspective, I hate Android and Apple so I wouldn't want to have these apps on my future NX.

It comes from a Nikkei report actually, they said their sources have told them NX would run an Android "based" OS. I think they got the gist of this correct (it will run apps) but not vanilla Android (or certainly not a non-custom version of it). Something custom to Nintendo but can run the apps or run them easily. 

Nikkei has been right about many things before, they said Nintendo was making a 3DS XL, Nintendo denied this, then announced 3DS XL like a month later. They said Nintendo was making smartphone games, Nintendo denied this, then announced like 9 months later they're making smartphone games and the idea had been brewing for over a year. 

Nikkei also reported that Nintendo was making a Seaman game for 3DS ... now you can say, well that never happened, but actually at Mr. Iwata's funeral the creator of Seaman confirmed he was working on a Seaman game for Nintendo, it just ran into development problems and never came out. 

So yeah, I trust Nikkei, also I think logically it just makes sense. Nintendo is never going to win an arguement with kids if the arguement is "put away your smartphone apps and play our walled ecosystem instead". Kids are not going to let go of the apps they love and they're not going to carry around two large devices to play with. 

Plus there's money to make from these apps ... Apple/Google take a 30% cut all revenue from iOS/Google Play store. On NX, that revenue would go to Nintendo. So there's strong financial motivation as well, especially given Nintendo's unreliable 3rd party relationships and not being able to rely on licensing fees there. 

Damn it. Sounds plausible then.

It's just not because I dislike Android, it's also because as a classic company I want Nintendo to feel unique and exclusive (and I don't like this Mario release on smartphone at all). They should not dilute their brand name too much. But perhaps a custom version of the Android app store won't do that, I'm not sure.

Now that I think about it, what arguments, besides pure emoptional, are there for Nintendo to not implement an extrenal app store like Android's?



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

It comes from a Nikkei report actually, they said their sources have told them NX would run an Android "based" OS. I think they got the gist of this correct (it will run apps) but not vanilla Android (or certainly not a non-custom version of it). Something custom to Nintendo but can run the apps or run them easily. 

Nikkei has been right about many things before, they said Nintendo was making a 3DS XL, Nintendo denied this, then announced 3DS XL like a month later. They said Nintendo was making smartphone games, Nintendo denied this, then announced like 9 months later they're making smartphone games and the idea had been brewing for over a year. 

Nikkei also reported that Nintendo was making a Seaman game for 3DS ... now you can say, well that never happened, but actually at Mr. Iwata's funeral the creator of Seaman confirmed he was working on a Seaman game for Nintendo, it just ran into development problems and never came out. 

So yeah, I trust Nikkei, also I think logically it just makes sense. Nintendo is never going to win an arguement with kids if the arguement is "put away your smartphone apps and play our walled ecosystem instead". Kids are not going to let go of the apps they love and they're not going to carry around two large devices to play with. 

Plus there's money to make from these apps ... Apple/Google take a 30% cut all revenue from iOS/Google Play store. On NX, that revenue would go to Nintendo. So there's strong financial motivation as well, especially given Nintendo's unreliable 3rd party relationships and not being able to rely on licensing fees there. 

Damn it. Sounds plausible then.

It's just not because I dislike Android, it's also because as a classic company I want Nintendo to feel unique and exclusive (and I don't like this Mario release on smartphone at all). They should not dilute their brand name too much. But perhaps a custom version of the Android app store won't do that, I'm not sure.

Now that I think about it, what arguments, besides pure emoptional, are there for Nintendo to not implement an extrenal app store like Android's?

I think the OS will still be pretty much custom Nintendo, but there will be some kind of way for existing apps to be implimented into either natively right off the hop or a very, very simple porting process. 

You'll go into your Nintendo eShop on NX and see "NX Games", "Apps/Games", "Virtual Console/HH" categories. I think it'll just be that simple. Click on the Apps section and you can download things like Angry Birds or Final Fantasy VII or Real Racing 3 and play. 

Blackberry has a phone that uses their Blackberry OS, but can load games from Amazon's Android store (so Android apps basically work on it). I guess Nintenod could do something like that, only cut out Amazon obviously. 

There are some pretty decent mobile games too ... I wouldn't mind playing some of those Square-Enix iOS/Android games with physical controls.



Soundwave said:

I think the OS will still be pretty much custom Nintendo, but there will be some kind of way for existing apps to be implimented into either natively right off the hop or a very, very simple porting process. 

I think we've had this discussion before, so I'll just reiterate that I do not believe this will be the case. Or at least not natively, that would open up the door for piracy and exploits literally day one.



They still don't get that children actually do play PS4/X1? Maybe not in Miyamoto's house because his family may insult him by buying another console. PS4 sells so well because it is meant for everybody. It may seem like it is only for the dedicated gamer with how Sony presents their games, but PS4 has games for everybody.
As a Nintendo gamer since the SNES I'm really worried about their current philosophy. They're so obsessed with children and making games for children, but they still don't know how to actually reach them. They are simplifying their IPs (Color splash, Star fox, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, even Metroid) so that children will play them. But here's the cold truth: children do not even know these games exist. And the dedicated Nintendo gamer feels betrayed with how Nintendo treats their favorite games and is therefore more likely to go to Microsoft or Sony.



Barkley said:
Soundwave said:

I think the OS will still be pretty much custom Nintendo, but there will be some kind of way for existing apps to be implimented into either natively right off the hop or a very, very simple porting process. 

I think we've had this discussion before, so I'll just reiterate that I do not believe this will be the case. Or at least not natively, that would open up the door for piracy and exploits literally day one.

There's some risk, but I think it's managable. Like I said Blackberry has a setup that lets them have their own OS but still have Android apps. 

The upside is too big to ignore, and like I said Nintendo can't dictate to kids. They have to adapt to what kids want and they want those apps. There's just no arguing it, and the strategy of trying to force kids to carry two devices (a tablet/phone and a 3DS) hasn't gone great either, kids overwhelming chose the tablet/phone.