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Solid-Stark said:

That's correct, RAM wont make a difference. They can up the amount of shaders (a different GPU configuration) or increase the clock speed (increases heat/power).

The RAM is an interesting point in rumors. Rumors suggest that PS4 Neos would have 1GB more to work with for games. Current PS4s have 4.5gb for games and 3.5gb reserved for OS, PS4 Neo would have 5.5GB for games and 2.5GB for OS.

If you ask me, this strongly implies on what the Microsoft boss said before that Scorpio (and Neo should be the same) won't do anything for you unless you have a 4K TV. What this means is that PS4 Neo games will only have the 4K native/internal rendering resolution; all else like textures, filters, and effects remain the same as regular PS4.

Further, some people claim that current PS4 Neo specs (rumors) isn't enough for 4K gaming. If you ask me, with Vulkan and simply a higher internal rendering resolution then current specs should be enough to do 4K and 30/60fps similar to PS4 regular game.

The confirmed RAM allotement is 5GB for game and 3GB for OS. 

And i dont think the Neo was/is designed to do native 4k. I think that's just not necessary For a 8-10ft average viewing distance platform. I believe it will run games internally at a native resolution higher than 1080p though, so most likely 1440p and use all the remaining muscle for extra eye candy. This will result in an IQ significantly better than 1080p and nowhere near as taxing as 4k with the added benefit of reducing the artifacts introduced when upscaling for a 4k output. 

What's left to be seen is how good Sonys implementation of pseudo 4k will be. 



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Intrinsic said:
Fei-Hung said:

For someone who knows how the tech works, what difference would adding 4GB of GDDR5 make and will it be a worthwhile difference? If not, what would they need to do to get it to 5TF?

I'm hoping whatever it is they do, they are able to keep the Neo at $449 at the most.

 

Edit: just read up how to work out TF and roughly what Sony would need to do to hit 5TF. The RAM won't make a difference. 

I am no expert, but I have an informed idea. Getting the GPU to 5TF would be as simple as up clocking it from 900+MHz to 1100+MHz. Considering the GPU it's based on is designed to run at 1300-1400Mhz it's not beyond reason that such a bump can happen (I personally believe it's guaranteed to happen). 

It will require a really good cooling system though, as the heat generated from running at higher clocks is likely the single biggest issue so would have to contend with. Then again, Sony is first and foremost a hardware company so if someone can pull this off it will be them. 

Another thing to consider is the maturity of the 14nm fabrication process. Simply put, for every 100 chips bought right now only 80 of them may reliably be able to run at a higher clock. So if they wanted to go with a 1.1Ghz GPU they may have to bin like 20 out of every 100 chips. While going with 900mhz could mean that they could use 100 out of a 100 chips. What that means at the end of the day is that going with a higher clock will be all round more expensive for sony. 

As for RAM, at this level and if targeting higher resolutions and higher/more stable framerates then memory bandwidth is actually more important than memory quantity. I doubt adding 4 extra gig of ram would make that much if a difference. But it's also not the hardest thing in the world to do if it's something they considered from the start of designing the Neo. 

I've been looking at this and it seems like the only way to do it would be to go the Polaris 10 route with 32 CU running at 1300mhz. Apparently the less CU you have the cheaper it is on power consumption. That would give you 5.5TF performance. 

 

Currently the Neo specs are rumored to have 36CU @911mhz. If they stick with this option, they will need to clock the processor to 1100mhz to hit 5TF. 



Fei-Hung said:

I've been looking at this and it seems like the only way to do it would be to go the Polaris 10 route with 32 CU running at 1300mhz. Apparently the less CU you have the cheaper it is on power consumption. That would give you 5.5TF performance. 

 

Currently the Neo specs are rumored to have 36CU @911mhz. If they stick with this option, they will need to clock the processor to 1100mhz to hit 5TF. 

Yes and No.

Whatever the case they won't lilely bw using all 36CU of the GPU available to them. Same way the PS4 uses only 18 of its available 20 CUs. It's a yield issue.

When sony buys Chips they buy chips. Now in any given batch the lilelyhood of having a fair number of defective Chios are high. And by defective it means that just maybe 1 CU doesmt work as intended. Deactivating 2 CUs on every chip  ensures that you get an optimum amount of usable chops in every batch. 

But yes, the less CUs you have or the lower clock you run them at the lower your power draw and in turn your heat output. I doubt they will deactivate 4 CUs and use only 32 of an available 36. Its more likely that they use 34 and clock it at 1200MHz. 



Not sure about PS2 B/C, and even more iffy on PS3 B/C, but there is no reason the PS4, including the OG one, doesn't have PS1 B/C. That really should have been added within the first year on the market.



GribbleGrunger said:
Ok, so take this with a gargantuan grain of salt but a poster over at GAF has said the Neo will be fully compatible with all previous Playstations (PS1/PS2/PS3/PS4). It's probably a load of old codswallop but he said the Japanese code name for the Neo is 'Matryoshka'. I'd overlook that if it wasn't for this tweet by Yoshida:

PS3*

*only subscribe to the awesome Playstation Now** service which enables you to experience all the Playstation 3 games on your Playstation 4.

 

**Playstation Now is a free app on your PS4. Service may include additional costs.



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sabvre42 said:
If they upgraded the CPU... ps3 bc is in fact doable.

It's also in their interest to add full bc as it:
Allows legacy ps game sales on psn
It allows for a full bc x86 firmware to exist that can cheapen psnow costs.
It counters the Xbone selling point.

Yeah, no. This would require an upgrade which would be more than just an upclock of the Jaguar CPU.



GribbleGrunger said:
Azuren said:

I hope to God this is true. 

Don't invest one iota of 'hope' in it, just let it settle ...

 

walsufnir said:
sabvre42 said:
If they upgraded the CPU... ps3 bc is in fact doable.

It's also in their interest to add full bc as it:
Allows legacy ps game sales on psn
It allows for a full bc x86 firmware to exist that can cheapen psnow costs.
It counters the Xbone selling point.

Yeah, no. This would require an upgrade which would be more than just an upclock of the Jaguar CPU.

Hush, both of you. I didn't come here to think, I came here to dream. 



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Azuren said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Don't invest one iota of 'hope' in it, just let it settle ...

 

walsufnir said:

Yeah, no. This would require an upgrade which would be more than just an upclock of the Jaguar CPU.

Hush, both of you. I didn't come here to think, I came here to dream. 

Than just dream that I didn't post it :)

In all seriousness, I say it here, clear and loudly: The PS4 Neo, no matter how powerful it might be with upclocking the PS4 hardware, will not be powerful enough to emulate the PS3.



walsufnir said:
Azuren said:

 

Hush, both of you. I didn't come here to think, I came here to dream. 

Than just dream that I didn't post it :)

In all seriousness, I say it here, clear and loudly: The PS4 Neo, no matter how powerful it might be with upclocking the PS4 hardware, will not be powerful enough to emulate the PS3.

I said with a new CPU... which rumors have stated they have been considering.



Zoombael said:
onionberry said:

No.

fancy with a design that screams "premium price"

Like this...?

 

 

I really wonder what people expect from a game console design. 

They want to have a big giant hole above and the half of console to looks like a fun cooler. They don't like a descreet console like ps4 ps4 slim and  the ps4 DP :)

 

That pic has no holes and look how all  is so descreet... so nah.. is ugly