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they've stated parker is for their automotive cars

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/08/22/parker-for-self-driving-cars/?__prclt=loGXBCSr



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PwerlvlAmy said:
they've stated parker is for their automotive cars

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/08/22/parker-for-self-driving-cars/?__prclt=loGXBCSr

The Parker has two Pascal Tegra chips on it (aka the Tegra X2), so that's why people are keying on it. 

It looks like Tegra X2 isn't a huge performance boost over X1 (625 gigaflops vs. 500 gigaflops), but there likely are decent energy savings, architecture improvements, and the big difference is Tegra X2/Pascal can have 50GB/sec of memory bandwidth on a 128-bit bus, whereas Tegra X1 only can do half that. 

Memory bandwidth is key for gaming. 



Soundwave said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
they've stated parker is for their automotive cars

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/08/22/parker-for-self-driving-cars/?__prclt=loGXBCSr

The Parker has two Pascal Tegra chips on it (aka the Tegra X2), so that's why people are keying on it. 

It looks like Tegra X2 isn't a huge performance boost over X1, but there likely are decent energy savings, architecture improvements, and the big difference is Tegra X2/Pascal can have 50GB/sec of memory bandwidth on a 128-bit bus, whereas Tegra X1 only can do half that. 

Memory bandwidth is key for gaming. 

everytime nvidia speaks it makes eurogamers nvidia rumor less likely imo o.o



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Soundwave said:

The Parker has two Pascal Tegra chips on it (aka the Tegra X2), so that's why people are keying on it. 

It looks like Tegra X2 isn't a huge performance boost over X1, but there likely are decent energy savings, architecture improvements, and the big difference is Tegra X2/Pascal can have 50GB/sec of memory bandwidth on a 128-bit bus, whereas Tegra X1 only can do half that. 

Memory bandwidth is key for gaming. 

everytime nvidia speaks it makes eurogamers nvidia rumor less likely imo o.o

Not really, Nvidia is not going to say anything until Nintendo announces it. But even then you can see on one of the Parker/Pascal Tegra slides ... "Gaming Applications" are mentioned specifically aside from automotive. 

Now why does this Tegra need to have bandwidth for "gaming applications". Hmmm. 

Also it's not just Eurogamer, MCV, IGN, and Wall Street Journal all confirm with their own sources. MCV's source has even seen the system running apparently. 

The same Wall Street Journal source also called the PS4 Slim early, and that's pretty much now confirmed too. 



CaptainExplosion said:
JRPGfan said:

Nvidia reports FP16 performance, when they mention how strong their Tegra X1 is... why? cuz big numbers fool people.

Sony & MS 's consoles are useing FP32 (twice as demanding) (16 x 2 = 32). Also known as half or full floating points.

Thats why Tegra X1 is 1tflop fp16, but only 500 Gflops when you meassure it the same way as the PS4 or XB1.

 

Does that answear your question? in a head to head compairison it looks like this:

FP32 the tegra X1 is just 500 Gflops (0.5  teraflops).

FP32 the PS4 is 1840 Gflops (1.84 teraflops).

 

The tegra X1 is 512 Gflops(fp32)

The tegra X2 is 625 Gflops (fp32)

So its a upgrade, just not a gigantic one.

 

Basically 1/3 the power of the PS4.

If your generious and say flops arnt all equal, you can probably give it a 10-15% boost or so.

Point still stands, its closer to 1/3 than 1/2, of the power.

That is assumeing they dont make a custom chip, or throw 2 of these chips into it or some such.

Still won't be enough for the NX. Goodbye third party support. -_-

It should have OK Japanese support. I'd say above the 3DS. 

This isn't really intended to compete head on with the PS4 or XBox One/Scorpio though I don't think. 

I think Nintendo's two main specific targets for this system are younger kids .... to get them away from tablets or at least if they want mobile games, NX will have those but it'll have Nintendo games too. Nintendo cannot lose a generation of kids to Apple/Samsung. The other main audience is Japan ... this is going to play big in Japan because a portable console is really what that market's wanted for a while now and Japanese don't care so much about the highest end graphics. 

This system should trounce the PS4 in Japan, ensuring good Japanese support. 

If you were expecting to play like GTA VI on NX though or for Nintendo to challenge PS4 head-on ... yeah probably bad news for that person. 



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CaptainExplosion said:
JRPGfan said:

Nvidia reports FP16 performance, when they mention how strong their Tegra X1 is... why? cuz big numbers fool people.

Sony & MS 's consoles are useing FP32 (twice as demanding) (16 x 2 = 32). Also known as half or full floating points.

Thats why Tegra X1 is 1tflop fp16, but only 500 Gflops when you meassure it the same way as the PS4 or XB1.

 

Does that answear your question? in a head to head compairison it looks like this:

FP32 the tegra X1 is just 500 Gflops (0.5  teraflops).

FP32 the PS4 is 1840 Gflops (1.84 teraflops).

 

The tegra X1 is 512 Gflops(fp32)

The tegra X2 is 625 Gflops (fp32)

So its a upgrade, just not a gigantic one.

 

Basically 1/3 the power of the PS4.

If your generious and say flops arnt all equal, you can probably give it a 10-15% boost or so.

Point still stands, its closer to 1/3 than 1/2, of the power.

That is assumeing they dont make a custom chip, or throw 2 of these chips into it or some such.

Still won't be enough for the NX. Goodbye third party support. -_-

Sure it will, remember if the rumors are true than this is a successor to both 3DS AND Wii U. When combined those devices get a solid amount of 3rd party support from Japanese, indie & kid/family friendly games.

Lets take a look at 2015 for an example

Q1-Chariot, Citizens of Earth, Gunman Clive 2, SpongeBob HeroPants, Moon Chronicles, Ace Combat: Assault Horizon Legacy+, IronFall: Invasion, Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate, OlliOlli, Proun+, Trine: Enchanted Edition, Lego Ninjago: Shadow of the Ronin, Story or Seasons

Q2-Etrian Mystery Dungeon, Affordable Space Adventures, A-Train: City Simulator, Karous, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2 Recors Breaker, Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains, Swords & Soldiers II, Don't Starve: Giant Edition, Lord of Magna: Maiden Heaven, Adventures of Pip, Lego Jurassic World, Samurai Warrior Chronicles 3

Q3-The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, Badland: GOTY Edition, Xeodrifter, Freedom Planet, Etrian Odyssey II Untold: The Fafnir Knight, Brave Tank Hero, Garfield Kart, Paddington: Adventures in London, Little Battlers Experience, Disney Infinity 3.0, Hatsune Miku: Project Mira DX, Senran Kagura 2: Deep Crimson, Year Walk, Skylanders: SuperChargers, Lego Dimensions, Runbow

Q4-The Legend of Legacy, Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Butoden, Gravity Falls: Legend of the Gnome Gemulets, Guitar Hero Live, Just Dance 2016, Adventure Time: Finn & Jake Investigations, Human Resource Machine, Octodad: Deadliest Catch, Snoopy's Grand Adventure, Yo-Kai Watch, Rodea: The Sky Soldier, Stella Glow, Kung-Fu Panda: Showdown of the Legendary Legends, SteamWorld Heist, Terraria, Minecraft, FAST Racing Neo, The Angry Video Game Nerd Adventures

I know that not the world's greatest list of 3rd party games but with a unified/hybrid device than we are looking at easily over 100 3rd party games per year.



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I wouldn't mind 3DS type support, but I hope it can get more of the 3DS franchises from earlier on ... like 3DS isn't getting Resident Evil or Ridge Racer or Street Fighter or Dead or Alive or Tekken or Metal Gear games anymore ... that's kind of a bummer. It's like after 2012, a lot of support stopped, even the Vita seems to get better support sometimes, which the NX needs to put an end to.

Hopefully NX can have more success with those types of games, 3rd party output for the 3DS has kinda sucked outside of Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, and Dragon Quest games the last couple of years.



Soundwave said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

everytime nvidia speaks it makes eurogamers nvidia rumor less likely imo o.o

Not really, Nvidia is not going to say anything until Nintendo announces it. But even then you can see on one of the Parker/Pascal Tegra slides ... "Gaming Applications" are mentioned specifically aside from automotive. 

Now why does this Tegra need to have bandwidth for "gaming applications". Hmmm. 

Also it's not just Eurogamer, MCV, IGN, and Wall Street Journal all confirm with their own sources. MCV's source has even seen the system running apparently. 

The same Wall Street Journal source also called the PS4 Slim early, and that's pretty much now confirmed too. 

it wouldnt the first time people jumped the gun and ran with a false rumor. 

 

however ill say if eurogamer report is accurate. NX will do same or worse than Wii U did adn that will be the end of their console run



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Soundwave said:

Not really, Nvidia is not going to say anything until Nintendo announces it. But even then you can see on one of the Parker/Pascal Tegra slides ... "Gaming Applications" are mentioned specifically aside from automotive. 

Now why does this Tegra need to have bandwidth for "gaming applications". Hmmm. 

Also it's not just Eurogamer, MCV, IGN, and Wall Street Journal all confirm with their own sources. MCV's source has even seen the system running apparently. 

The same Wall Street Journal source also called the PS4 Slim early, and that's pretty much now confirmed too. 

it wouldnt the first time people jumped the gun and ran with a false rumor. 

 

however ill say if eurogamer report is accurate. NX will do same or worse than Wii U did adn that will be the end of their console run

Doubt it. 

NX would outsell the Wii U's worldwide total in Japan alone. 

It's a portable system ... that's going to have Pokemon, Splatoon (which is a franchise that is going to go through the roof with the sequel in Japan just watch), Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Smash Brothers, probably Monster Hunter V, Dragon Quest XI, Yokai Watch whatever, and a ton of other Japanese support. 

All Nintendo franchises in one place + Dragon Quest XI + Monster Hunter V + Yokai Watch + Minecraft + possibly even Android apps ...

It will sell 20 million in Japan alone.

I'm not saying it will be a huge success overall, but unless Nintendo does a lot of stupid things with this, 40-50 million worldwide should be attainable ... which is a decent amount. 



Soundwave said:
Luke888 said:

Yup, that would be ideal.

That's a little on the cheap side, the hardware would be really poor if its forced to be that cheap. 

People need to understand this device will do everything a Wii U AND a 3DS does. To buy both today will cost you $500. 

Even a Wii + DS back in the day cost $400 combined. 

I think something like $269.99 for the base NX and if they even make one, $119.99 for the NX SCD dock, would be more realistic. $269.99 is still way cheaper than the $349.99 that the Wii U started at, I mean shit it would be cheaper than the Wii U is right now. 

To be honest for what Nintendo is attempting to build even $299.99 would not be out of the question. This is way more functional than a Wii U, and if it can run a lot of the more popular Android apps, that's quite cheap, an iPad Mini 4 with 16GB of storage is $400 alone. 

Sorry, the ideal part would be the 199$ handheld, the docking station Imho should be at least 200/250$ , Nintendo really doesn't want to make a console that costs more than 200$ at launch after what happended with the 3DS.