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bigtakilla said:
setsunatenshi said:

now scratch all that and make it look like a kid's toy... boom... that's how Nintendo will make it look like in the end :)

It already does look like a kids toy, to include a very slim design, and short length of the controllers. It looks like only people with baby hands will be able to play NX comfortably. 

I'll give you that, it's a great point.

 

I still struggle to believe the controlers will come off from the 'tablet' just like that. It sounds an engineering nightmare the amount of movable parts that it contains. But hey, we'll be here to see and pass judgement :P



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Looks terrible to me.  Controls look small and uncomfortable.



Looks good for just getting an idea of the concept for those who can't visualize it, but of course there are still those taking this clear mock-up to be what the final NX looks like.



RolStoppable said:
Surprising that this thread has quite a few positive responses, considering that NX in this form would be a portable Wii U Gamepad with inferior ergonomy when played at home. The most baffling thing is that Nintendo would go with such a weird design and then have the docking station ruin any hopes for backwards compatibility with Wii U software, because the screen needs to sit in the docking station.

This mockup visualizes why the Eurogamer rumor is so bad. Just like the "leaked" NX controller from a few months ago, the creator of the rumor thinks that Nintendo won't stray off far from what the Wii U was. NX is basically all about selling a "better" version of Wii U.

They could have the chipset eject from the base NX for the docking station so the screen could still be used at home I suppose. I don't see why the ergonomics would be any worse than the Wii U gamepad which is comfortable enough. 

This isn't just a Eurogamer rumor any more, Semi Accurate, IGN, Wall Street Journal, have all verified it with their own sources and Eurogamer themselves stated they verified this report with multiple sources, not just one. This is more like the PS4 Neo and Scorpio leaks. 

If Nintendo can't sell a portable game machine (NX) any more they have no future as a primary hardware maker anyway. It should not be this fucking hard to sell hardware, if they need everything to be just perfect for them to move hardware, then the reality is that a lot of people don't want Nintendo hardware and needed to be tricked/wowwed by a razzle dazzle gimmick to maybe consider one. If that's the case, then really I don't think they have much of a future as a hardware maker.



Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:
That IS a nice mock up, but the more I think about it the more concerned I get over how it will perform... Rol brought up some valid criticism against coupeling Nintendo games together with free Android apps...

I think Nintendo honestly about 2-3 years ago made the decision internally that they cannot compete with mobile and instead needed to embrace mobile. 

I think seeing 3DS sales erode away in the US and Europe to like 1/3 of the DS pretty much sealed it. 

From that decision is where Pokemon Go, the DeNA deal, and NX all stem from ... they all started in development around this same time. I think Miyamoto was basically shut out of this decision and they threw him a bone by saying "go make some Wii U games that use the tablet pad" and Star Fox, Project Guard, Project Giant Robot is basically what he came up with (which predictably failed). 

"Free" Android games still stand to make Nintendo a lot of money when they're taking home a 30% cut of all the revenue generated by said games. 

I'm still torn on this whole idea of Nintendo accessing the app-market with their next console. It could be a total success, like you said, or it could be an utter failure, like Rol said. The risk of having 1000's of free app-games on your console is that people (kids) starts to think ALL games should be free, which will lead to them not buying any actual games from Nintendo.



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DanneSandin said:
Soundwave said:

I think Nintendo honestly about 2-3 years ago made the decision internally that they cannot compete with mobile and instead needed to embrace mobile. 

I think seeing 3DS sales erode away in the US and Europe to like 1/3 of the DS pretty much sealed it. 

From that decision is where Pokemon Go, the DeNA deal, and NX all stem from ... they all started in development around this same time. I think Miyamoto was basically shut out of this decision and they threw him a bone by saying "go make some Wii U games that use the tablet pad" and Star Fox, Project Guard, Project Giant Robot is basically what he came up with (which predictably failed). 

"Free" Android games still stand to make Nintendo a lot of money when they're taking home a 30% cut of all the revenue generated by said games. 

I'm still torn on this whole idea of Nintendo accessing the app-market with their next console. It could be a total success, like you said, or it could be an utter failure, like Rol said. The risk of having 1000's of free app-games on your console is that people (kids) starts to think ALL games should be free, which will lead to them not buying any actual games from Nintendo.

The problem is Nintendo is never going to stop kids from playing free apps. They know free apps are there. Now does Nintendo want any chance of getting those kids to choose their device or not?

Because if they make this about "it's our way or their way", then they are going to lose. A Nintendo NX that is a walled garden device only plays Nintendo games (at $40-$60 a pop) and a smattering of third party games is going to lose on entertainment value versus a tablet that can play kids cartoons, Snap Chat, video, Facebook, Candy Crush, and thousands of other games for free. 

Nintendo just can't compete with the entertainment versatility a tablet can offer to kids and adults. 

Besides, mobile is no longer Nintendo's "enemey" it's time to start viewing it as a main pillar of Nintendo's business. Pokemon GO is the biggest thing associated with Nintendo in a decade easily. On NX, Nintendo can get a 100% cut of their mobile app revenues (instead of giving Apple/Google 30%) and they can take 30% of all those other apps too. 

They may have to adjust some of their pricing structure, they may have to accept some NX kids will simply be happy with free games alone (but they can still make money off that on the NX and sell their own Nintendo apps), but that is what it is. There's no putting the genie of free mobile apps back into the bottle now, it's out, the question now is whether you want to be friends with the genie or enemies with it. 

Even if there a person who buys a NX and only ever buys 3 games for it in its life time (lets say they really love Mario Kart and 2D Mario and basically nothing else) and spends the rest of the time playing freemium games (on which I take home 30% of that profit), I'd rather have their business than have them buy an iPad or Android tablet instead. 



Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:

I'm still torn on this whole idea of Nintendo accessing the app-market with their next console. It could be a total success, like you said, or it could be an utter failure, like Rol said. The risk of having 1000's of free app-games on your console is that people (kids) starts to think ALL games should be free, which will lead to them not buying any actual games from Nintendo.

The problem is Nintendo is never going to stop kids from playing free apps. They know free apps are there. Now does Nintendo want any chance of getting those kids to choose their device or not?

Because if they make this about "it's our way or their way", then they are going to lose. A Nintendo NX that is a walled garden device only plays Nintendo games (at $40-$60 a pop) and a smattering of third party games is going to lose on entertainment value versus a tablet that can play kids cartoons, Snap Chat, video, Facebook, Candy Crush, and thousands of other games for free. 

Nintendo just can't compete with the entertainment versatility a tablet can offer to kids and adults. 

Besides, mobile is no longer Nintendo's "enemey" it's time to start viewing it as a main pillar of Nintendo's business. Pokemon GO is the biggest thing associated with Nintendo in a decade easily. On NX, Nintendo can get a 100% cut of their mobile app revenues (instead of giving Apple/Google 30%) and they can take 30% of all those other apps too. 

They may have to adjust some of their pricing structure, they may have to accept some NX kids will simply be happy with free games alone (but they can still make money off that on the NX and sell their own Nintendo apps), but that is what it is. There's no putting the genie of free mobile apps back into the bottle now, it's out, the question now is whether you want to be friends with the genie or enemies with it. 

Even if there a person who buys a NX and only ever buys 3 games for it in its life time (lets say they really love Mario Kart and 2D Mario and basically nothing else) and spends the rest of the time playing freemium games (on which I take home 30% of that profit), I'd rather have their business than have them buy an iPad or Android tablet instead. 

Yeah, some business is better than no business. But still, Rol made a good point about it and I'm just to lazy to find it and post it here. Sry :P It's a hard thing to speculate about, since there's been nothing like it before. This dilemma is truly only Nintendo's own, it's weird. Sony and MS are facing similar problems as each other (MS more so than Sony), while Nintendo is facing something completely different, and it's hard to know how things will develop from here. Having a tablet like console with free games could be super clever, or it could all go to shits...



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Soundwave said:
DanneSandin said:

I'm still torn on this whole idea of Nintendo accessing the app-market with their next console. It could be a total success, like you said, or it could be an utter failure, like Rol said. The risk of having 1000's of free app-games on your console is that people (kids) starts to think ALL games should be free, which will lead to them not buying any actual games from Nintendo.

The problem is Nintendo is never going to stop kids from playing free apps. They know free apps are there. Now does Nintendo want any chance of getting those kids to choose their device or not?

Because if they make this about "it's our way or their way", then they are going to lose. A Nintendo NX that is a walled garden device only plays Nintendo games (at $40-$60 a pop) and a smattering of third party games is going to lose on entertainment value versus a tablet that can play kids cartoons, Snap Chat, video, Facebook, Candy Crush, and thousands of other games for free. 

Nintendo just can't compete with the entertainment versatility a tablet can offer to kids and adults. 

Besides, mobile is no longer Nintendo's "enemey" it's time to start viewing it as a main pillar of Nintendo's business. Pokemon GO is the biggest thing associated with Nintendo in a decade easily. On NX, Nintendo can get a 100% cut of their mobile app revenues (instead of giving Apple/Google 30%) and they can take 30% of all those other apps too. 

They may have to adjust some of their pricing structure, they may have to accept some NX kids will simply be happy with free games alone (but they can still make money off that on the NX and sell their own Nintendo apps), but that is what it is. There's no putting the genie of free mobile apps back into the bottle now, it's out, the question now is whether you want to be friends with the genie or enemies with it. 

Even if there a person who buys a NX and only ever buys 3 games for it in its life time (lets say they really love Mario Kart and 2D Mario and basically nothing else) and spends the rest of the time playing freemium games (on which I take home 30% of that profit), I'd rather have their business than have them buy an iPad or Android tablet instead. 

 

I disagree with just about everything you said. I am not going to go back and forth with you because I have read your posts and for you to understand my point of view, you would have to deconstruct your current mode of thinking and I know that is simply not going to happen. With that said, your last comment is absolutely audacious. You are basically saying Nintendo should accept another Wii situation. No, no, no. Nintendo does not want that. Nintendo should want to grow their business in a way that is more conducive to their long term growth. Building your brand in that way has proven not very successful for a company like Nintendo (see: Atari).

Now, you will point to tablets and phones and maintain that those are healthy products with great growth. And I assume you will ignore the fact that these devices are not primarily gaming devices which puts them in a different position than a dedicated video gaming company. Assuming this is the case, I will not indulge you there because that just shows how we have completely different viewpoints and approaches to the same situation.

Again, I agree with just about nothing you said, and I will respectfully do so. But there is a motto that, "not all business is good business" and in the case of Nintendo, in their currect and traditional company structure, the type of business you are speaking of is not the best business for the company. Especially in the long term.



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I hope it will be something like that, looks really great and actually the direction I saw MS would have taken this generation with what turned out to be X1. A hybrid device is the way to go, if it also can function independently as a tablet. Then it is not as important to have the highest graphic capabilities, because causal gamers will make it popular.



looks slick