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twintail said:

KLAMarine said:          

Do you believe they contribute more to the industry by being more of the same?

I believe they can make good games regardless. Which is all they need to do.

You avoided his question and I think we both know why.

 

What I do not understand is why so many people are treating this console like it is a home console. It is not. It is a hand held. And because of that, this technology is actually cutting edge if true. Also, it is important to note that Nintendo have 0 issues getting great third party support for their hand held conoles and Pokemon mainline titles come to their hand helds. Eurogamer missed the mark on that front. What we are getting, if played properly, are series like Bravery and Monster Hunter back on televisions because those are primarily hand held series. This could be a really good idea. It is also NOT A HOME CONSOLE.

With that said, Nintendo will be backing themselves into a corner for their next home console. They now MUST make a console that is on par with or above the standards of the time because if they do not, there will be absolutely no reason to buy their next home console. If this rumor is true... I am not saying this is true. But if it is, some of you are having a very hard time coping with the fact that Nintendo's next console is NOT a home console.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

You avoided his question and I think we both know why.

 

What I do not understand is why so many people are treating this console like it is a home console. It is not. It is a hand held. And because of that, this technology is actually cutting edge if true. Also, it is important to note that Nintendo have 0 issues getting great third party support for their hand held conoles and Pokemon mainline titles come to their hand helds. Eurogamer missed the mark on that front. What we are getting, if played properly, are series like Bravery and Monster Hunter back on televisions because those are primarily hand held series. This could be a really good idea. It is also NOT A HOME CONSOLE.

With that said, Nintendo will be backing themselves into a corner for their next home console. They now MUST make a console that is on par with or above the standards of the time because if they do not, there will be absolutely no reason to buy their next home console. If this rumor is true... I am not saying this is true. But if it is, some of you are having a very hard time coping with the fact that Nintendo's next console is NOT a home console.

 

But it may aswell be one since it can still be played like one. That's why if this rumour is true, Nintendo will never make a traditional home console again, instead going with hybrid systems from here on.



Random_Matt said:
Even if there a home dock, games are still going to be handheld games. Scale of them are going to be smaller than true home console counterparts imo

Even if all their franchises are improvements over their Wii U counterparts and we get our first HD Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Kid Icarus?



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Einsam_Delphin said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

You avoided his question and I think we both know why.

 

What I do not understand is why so many people are treating this console like it is a home console. It is not. It is a hand held. And because of that, this technology is actually cutting edge if true. Also, it is important to note that Nintendo have 0 issues getting great third party support for their hand held conoles and Pokemon mainline titles come to their hand helds. Eurogamer missed the mark on that front. What we are getting, if played properly, are series like Bravery and Monster Hunter back on televisions because those are primarily hand held series. This could be a really good idea. It is also NOT A HOME CONSOLE.

With that said, Nintendo will be backing themselves into a corner for their next home console. They now MUST make a console that is on par with or above the standards of the time because if they do not, there will be absolutely no reason to buy their next home console. If this rumor is true... I am not saying this is true. But if it is, some of you are having a very hard time coping with the fact that Nintendo's next console is NOT a home console.

 

But it may aswell be one since it can still be played like one. That's why if this rumour is true, Nintendo will never make a traditional home console again, instead going with hybrid systems from here on.

 

You can try to manipulate this in any way you want, it is not a home console. Comparing it to XBOX and Playstation is completely incorrect. It should be compared to 3DS and PSVita. It is an evolution of that department and not Wii U, Playstation, or XBOX.

 

And to your last statement, you have no vision. If this rumor is true and this is their next hand held, Nintendo MUST make a home console that is above the standards of the day (when it releases) in order to convince people like you or I to buy it. Otherwise, people will say, "what is the point" and stick with their hand held hybrid. Nintendo has backed themselves into a corner. And maybe that is not such a bad thing after all. We all want a powerhouse home console from Nintendo anyway. 



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

You can try to manipulate this in any way you want, it is not a home console. Comparing it to XBOX and Playstation is completely incorrect. It should be compared to 3DS and PSVita. It is an evolution of that department and not Wii U, Playstation, or XBOX.

 

And to your last statement, you have no vision. If this rumor is true and this is their next hand held, Nintendo MUST make a home console that is above the standards of the day (when it releases) in order to convince people like you or I to buy it. Otherwise, people will say, "what is the point" and stick with their hand held hybrid. Nintendo has backed themselves into a corner. And maybe that is not such a bad thing after all. We all want a powerhouse home console from Nintendo anyway. 

 

You're right, it's technically a hybrid, but what that means is if someone wants to use it purely as a home console, they can, thus it's not wrong to consider it a home console as much as you say it's handheld. It can be as much or as little as either, it all up to the customer.

Are we even talking about the same rumor, cause they say it's not just a handheld, it's a portable console, a hybrid, thus it's already replacing both 3DS and Wii U. The hybrid system can be used as a home console, so what's the point of making a separate dedicated home console on top of that? You even admit this yourself, there is no point, so naturally they're not going to make them anymore.



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twintail said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

You avoided his question and I think we both know why.

tbqh I have already answered that question and I see no reason to keep repeating the same thing over again.

I dont agree that Nintendos only value, or core contribution to gaming, comes from being different.

That is not what was asked and we both know it. Avoid it. We all know why you are doing so.



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Einsam_Delphin said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

You can try to manipulate this in any way you want, it is not a home console. Comparing it to XBOX and Playstation is completely incorrect. It should be compared to 3DS and PSVita. It is an evolution of that department and not Wii U, Playstation, or XBOX.

 

And to your last statement, you have no vision. If this rumor is true and this is their next hand held, Nintendo MUST make a home console that is above the standards of the day (when it releases) in order to convince people like you or I to buy it. Otherwise, people will say, "what is the point" and stick with their hand held hybrid. Nintendo has backed themselves into a corner. And maybe that is not such a bad thing after all. We all want a powerhouse home console from Nintendo anyway. 

 

You're right, it's technically a hybrid, but what that means is if someone wants to use it purely as a home console, they can, thus it's not wrong to consider it a home console as much as you say it's handheld. It can be as much or as little as either, it all up to the customer.

Are we even talking about the same rumor, cause they say it's not just a handheld, it's a portable console, a hybrid, thus it's already replacing both 3DS and Wii U. The hybrid system can be used as a home console, so what's the point of making a separate dedicated home console on top of that? You even admit this yourself, there is no point, so naturally they're not going to make them anymore.

I see where the disconnect it. I consider portable console to mean, "hand held" as it has traditionally. I still see it as a hand held because of what is rumored about it. It uses cartridges and has a docking station but not a home console station. The hardware seems next gen for a portable/hand held and it uses cartridges like all Nintendo portables/hand helds. I do not know if you are correct or not so I will drop that until I find out more. I am looking at it as a hand held that can be attached to the television (ala a more literal Super Game Boy) and you are thinking of it as a console on the go. Interesting how that worked out. It looks like the successor to the 3DS, not the Wii U. I could be wrong and it has me scratching my head because I undestand it differently than you do. But I still think I am more correct.

Again, it being a hand held that can be docked to a television is important because of the game franchises and third party support that may appear. Third party developers will develop for a new Nintendo hand held with those specs. They will reject a home console with those specs, however. And that is the point of the console.

I did not say anywhere that there is no point in Nintendo making a new home console. I specifically said Nintendo has backed themselves into a corner because if their next home console is not a beast of a machine, nobody will want to buy it when they have this hand held which can do almost the same thing from a power perspective. Their next console must be the strongest released in that moment in order to seperate itself even further from this hand held which you keep thinking is a home console. And we all want that from Nintendo anyway; a home console that rocks in terms of power.

And this is also important because if Nintendo makes a home console that does exactly that, maybe they will get third party support on home consoles again. This is a twisted corner they are painted into, but hopefully they make the correct decisions going forward. If this is true.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

I see where the disconnect it. I consider portable console to mean, "hand held" as it has traditionally. I still see it as a hand held because of what is rumored about it. It uses cartridges and has a docking station but not a home console station. The hardware seems next gen for a portable/hand held and it uses cartridges like all Nintendo portables/hand helds. I do not know if you are correct or not so I will drop that until I find out more. I am looking at it as a hand held that can be attached to the television (ala a more literal Super Game Boy) and you are thinking of it as a console on the go. Interesting how that worked out. It looks like the successor to the 3DS, not the Wii U. I could be wrong and it has me scratching my head because I undestand it differently than you do. But I still think I am more correct.

Again, it being a hand held that can be docked to a television is important because of the game franchises and third party support that may appear. Third party developers will develop for a new Nintendo hand held with those specs. They will reject a home console with those specs, however. And that is the point of the console.

I did not say anywhere that there is no point in Nintendo making a new home console. I specifically said Nintendo has backed themselves into a corner because if their next home console is not a beast of a machine, nobody will want to buy it when they have this hand held which can do almost the same thing from a power perspective. Their next console must be the strongest released in that moment in order to seperate itself even further from this hand held which you keep thinking is a home console. And we all want that from Nintendo anyway; a home console that rocks in terms of power.

And this is also important because if Nintendo makes a home console that does exactly that, maybe they will get third party support on home consoles again. This is a twisted corner they are painted into, but hopefully they make the correct decisions going forward. If this is true.

 

You're only looking at names (though conveniently ignoring the term hybrid), I'm looking at actual usage and functionality as that's what defines pretty much everything. Also being playable on the go and on your TV is definitely not traditional of handhelds, and consoles can and have used cartridges. Yes handhelds are generally weaker than consoles, and that plus Nintendo's main market being handheld is why yes it's definitely a handheld that can be played on the TV rather than a console that can be played on the go, but it can still very much be considered a home console as explained already. It's not purely a handheld, it's not purely a console, it's both, a hybrid.

Unless you really believe Nintendo is going to develop for two different HD systems, then an additional console could only be as powerful as the hybrid since they have to share the same library, so still no reason to have a pure console. They'll only get Japanese 3rd party support eitherway. Also, it seems like you believe Nintendo absolutely needs 3rd partys to be successful, but they really don't and Nintendo is finally acknowledging this, I mean that's kinda the whole point of the hybrid, to unify their software output so they can be more reliant on themselves and less on 3rd partys. To make a separate powerful console alongside would only defeat this purpose.

My bad I misinterpreted, but a powerful console alongside the hybrid will fail, simply put because it's pointless and will forever be unneeded no matter how much power you give it. It wont have full Nintendo support with the hybrid having the majority, it'll either be really expensive or weaker than the competition, perhaps both, and even if it gets western third party support (it wont), most people will already have a third party system at this point in the gen, so the only reason to get this system would still be for the Nintendo games, but the hybrid does that better and with exclusive third party games, so there's no reason to buy the console over the hybrid. And again, I don't think the NX is a home console, it just fills the roles of one, being a hybrid and all.

I'm confident they wont, Nintendo knows it's gonna take a ton more than just a powerful console to win full 3rd party support back, especially a whopping 4 years late into a generation, so they'll just not bother with pure consoles anymore and put more emphasis on what they're best at.



Random_Matt said:
Mbolibombo said:

yup, they only sold 250 million consoles between home and handheld the next gen. 

They should thrown in the towel more often.

I was merely mentioning this in relation to a decent home console, not including the fluke Wii. 

So, just throw out the fluke 360, and then you have  the Xbox -failure (your words) and the XBOX 1, which, as a hardware unit is currently be outsold in 2016 by a 5 year old handheld console, which as everyone says, is a dying or dead market.



GhaudePhaede010 said:
twintail said:

I believe they can make good games regardless. Which is all they need to do.

You avoided his question and I think we both know why.

 

What I do not understand is why so many people are treating this console like it is a home console. It is not. It is a hand held. And because of that, this technology is actually cutting edge if true. Also, it is important to note that Nintendo have 0 issues getting great third party support for their hand held conoles and Pokemon mainline titles come to their hand helds. Eurogamer missed the mark on that front. What we are getting, if played properly, are series like Bravery and Monster Hunter back on televisions because those are primarily hand held series. This could be a really good idea. It is also NOT A HOME CONSOLE.

With that said, Nintendo will be backing themselves into a corner for their next home console. They now MUST make a console that is on par with or above the standards of the time because if they do not, there will be absolutely no reason to buy their next home console. If this rumor is true... I am not saying this is true. But if it is, some of you are having a very hard time coping with the fact that Nintendo's next console is NOT a home console.

I think you are missing the point.  If the rumors are true, Nintendo is seemingly done with home consoles.  They are basically making a handheld that can double as a home console thanks to the dock that comes with it.  Which is fine, since without the casuals that flocked to the Wii for the first few years, they just can't compete against Sony and MS.  The problem, though, is the handheld market is a dying one.  And this is obviously not going to appeal to core gamers shopping for a home console, many of who will just get the much more powerful PS4, or maybe wait for word on the extremely more powerful Neo.  Really, if this is not successful for them, I would imagine they will go all mobile.