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Veknoid_Outcast on 27 July 2016
Jpcc86 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Some people just want to invest in a single system that plays all the games they want, and I totally respect that. In that way, it's perfectly reasonable for someone to want Super Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon on the same system as Mass Effect, Grand Theft Auto, and Assassin's Creed. However, I think it's a short-sighted and ultimately counter-productive dream, as Nintendo going third-party would probably diminish the greatness and, for lack of a better word, anotherness of its games.

But it's precisely the "uniqueness" of Nintendo console/games is whats hurting them in the long run, for it is making them a niche company. Which in turn its part of whats provoking that the general opinion that their consoles are "not powerful enough" or their games are for "kids". As of now Nintendo needs to open to a broader market. Thats not gonna make them lose their identity, if anything its just gonna make them get to a bigger audience. Which in turn is the best thing that could happen to them, and us, as fans, because bigger market = more games. 

I don't know about that. When Nintendo releases affordable, approachable gaming machines, it succeeds. When it tries to compete with Sony and Microsoft and, by doing so, conforms to the expectations of third parties, it falters.

I think the only thing making Nintendo "niche" is when it refuses to play to its strengths.



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hershel_layton on 27 July 2016
onionberry said:

I've been a gamer since I was 5 years old, A Nintendo gamer. I've been using the internet and forums since I was 11 (IGN forums back then in 2005) 

Since then, I've experienced the same thing everytime Nintendo unveils a new console or handheld, what thing? "Nintendo is doomed, crazy and it's over for them" threads and articles from left to right. As a child, I was scared, didn't know better and always thought that my favorite company was going to dissapear. But now, now I understand, cause I see a new generation of "Nintendo is over" new kids and adults saying the same stuff. Because now, that mindset is an ideology and I'm pretty sure existed before me, too. I know this, my lil cousin told me "Nintendo sucks their games are shit" while he was playing happy wheels, I was heartbroken :'(

 

Who the hell plays Happy Wheels? How old is your cousin?

 

You have to be a complete moron to say games like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Super Smash Brothers, Kirby, and much more are trash, but manage to find Happy Wheels fun. 

 

Seriously, how can you hate Nintendo but somehow find Happy Wheels enjoyable?  I'd recommend talking with him, perhaps giving him a beating or two. Make sure the lesson is engraved within his head.



 

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shenlong213 on 27 July 2016
onionberry said:

I've been a gamer since I was 5 years old, A Nintendo gamer. I've been using the internet and forums since I was 11 (IGN forums back then in 2005) 

Since then, I've experienced the same thing everytime Nintendo unveils a new console or handheld, what thing? "Nintendo is doomed, crazy and it's over for them" threads and articles from left to right. As a child, I was scared, didn't know better and always thought that my favorite company was going to dissapear. But now, now I understand, cause I see a new generation of "Nintendo is over" new kids and adults saying the same stuff. Because now, that mindset is an ideology and I'm pretty sure existed before me, too. I know this, my lil cousin told me "Nintendo sucks their games are shit" while he was playing happy wheels, I was heartbroken :'(

It's annoying for those who are Nintendo fans, but we will have to live with that forever, so it's important to understand that a community of gamers are toxic and they expect the death of Nintendo. I'm not talking about those who genuinely want a third party Nintendo because they are not going to buy a console for exclusives, I'm talking about those who really hate Nintendo and are happy when they fail.

 "It's over for them, it's going to flop, they can't compete, game over" just accept those words, and you're going to be happy, forever. Don't take it too personal and long story short... it's just the internet, bruh!

I personally worry for Sony more than Nintendo

Especially when they sold their VaiO brand, selling TV and PS Vita with losses, and the bright spot only is their console 



 

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green_sky on 27 July 2016

Good story. As for the internet and doom...



pokoko on 27 July 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I don't know about that. When Nintendo releases affordable, approachable gaming machines, it succeeds. When it tries to compete with Sony and Microsoft and, by doing so, conforms to the expectations of third parties, it falters.

I think the only thing making Nintendo "niche" is when it refuses to play to its strengths.

There is no overriding reason why Nintendo cannot compete with Sony and Microsoft while still doing their own thing.  The truth is, they just fail at it.  They should be able to, objectively speaking--they have the money to pull it off--but they always fall short.

There isn't anything limiting about what Sony does.  They just followed what Sega was doing and allowed third-party games to compete with their own while embracing new features.  Nintendo could have done the exact same thing with no damage to their own games.

Nintendo just got beat.  Simple as that.  They got beat with technology, they got beat with features, and they got beat with business acumen.  They could have embraced all of that while producing the exact same games.  There was no trade-off necessary. 



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Mowco on 27 July 2016

Yep successfully guessed the OP before opening the thread!

You use the phrase "Nintendo Doomed" more than the rest of the forum combined several times over. xD

The people that are always negative about Nintendo are in general Sony/Microsoft fans, thus they play mainly on Home Consoles, and when it comes to home consoles there's a lot to be critical about when it comes to Nintendo, so it's not surprising those people are negative about Nintendo's future with the current situation with the WiiU.

Excluding the Wii every home console Nintendo has released has been their worst selling console ever. It's not exactly a good record.

I hope what has been leaked about the NX isn't true, a hybrid idea is great, how it seems to be being put into practice is not..








Ljink96 on 27 July 2016

Nintendo's not going to be "Doomed" first and foremost...internet. Get that out of the question. The issue that I, and many others have with Nintendo as a whole is their inability to connect with their audiences, listen to them, and produce hardware that is strong and modern. I understand, Nintendo doesn't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft anymore. I really get that and they should continue to go this route.

But, the fact that they seem to not learn from their mistakes is striking as a Nintendo fan. They mess up SIMPLE things like the Virtual Console. They are out of touch with Online functionality. I'd say they are very primitive in their forward thinking. They miss the mark when it comes to developing a simple idea and letting their software compliment their hardware. They don't market their games hardly anymore and when they do market their games, the marketing misses the mark and it's just eting!

Simply put, they are behind the times. Now I get it. Wii and DS were in a realm of their own, untouchable by Sony and Microsoft. But you see, Iwata was a visionary. His ideas of Wii and DS were...unheard of at the time and they took off. But replicating the Wii and DS hasn't done well for Nintendo. 3DS is doing okay, but a far cry from the Gameboy, Gameboy Color, GBA and now DS. Wii U, we know where that went. Nintendo needs to get their head back in the game.

Hopefully, NX isn't as bad as I'm anticipating. With talks about mobile incorporation, detachable controllers, plug n' play esque, PSVita TV like design, I can't see this thing being easy to market. What will be the saving grace of the NX if these rumors are true? A shared library. And that's about it. And this is coming from somebody who loves Nintendo with a passion. I just want them to do better because God knows they have the talent and the know how to do it.



pokoko on 27 July 2016
RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

There is no overriding reason why Nintendo cannot compete with Sony and Microsoft while still doing their own thing.  The truth is, they just fail at it.  They should be able to, objectively speaking--they have the money to pull it off--but they always fall short.

There isn't anything limiting about what Sony does.  They just followed what Sega was doing and allowed third-party games to compete with their own while embracing new features.  Nintendo could have done the exact same thing with no damage to their own games.

Nintendo just got beat.  Simple as that.  They got beat with technology, they got beat with features, and they got beat with business acumen.  They could have embraced all of that while producing the exact same games.  There was no trade-off necessary. 

Very incomplete knowledge of video game history. Sony didn't just follow Sega. They picked up Sega's strategy of branding competitors as kiddie, but Sony added other much more significant things. One of them was selling hardware at a loss to offer technology at a lower price. The other was moneyhatting third parties to bring games exclusively to PlayStation or at the very least make PS the only console to get the games. With such aggressive strategies in the early stages, it would eventually pay off in the latter half of a generation (hardware didn't need to be sold at a loss anymore, the high installed base would make third parties pick PS without needing further incentives). It's the typical way of how a big company buys its way into an industry and pushes out smaller competitors.

Sony could break Sega this way, because Sega's financials were only so-so, Sega's own IPs only had limited appeal and because Sega was stupid enough to join Sony's game. Nintendo may have made adjustments in response to Sony's game in the sixth generation, but this is also the time when Microsoft entered, another big company who could buy its way into the business. Microsoft blew $1 billion every year, but that didn't discourage them. When a comparatively small company like Nintendo then decides that they don't want to join this game, then that's not failing at business, but the exact opposite of it. It's their only realistic chance for long term survival.

If you are interested to know how competition between Nintendo and Sony looks like when Sony can't leverage money as a substitute for being an inferior game developer, then you only need to look at handhelds. American and European publishers weren't interested in the direction of handheld gaming, so money incentives from Sony didn't work; it takes two parties: one who offers money, one who accepts it. Because of that, Sony couldn't overwhelm Nintendo with an army of third party support and it became a question of who is the better first party developer. That's the game that Nintendo wins.

Your points about moneyhatting and pushing out smaller competitors seem very strange when you consider that Nintendo locked up North America by forcing third-parties to sign exclusive contracts, a practice that would later be deemed illegal.  You can hardly say Nintendo was the victim of an unfair playing field when they benefited by draconian policies more than anyone.

I mean, you just made a post about how much money Nintendo has made.  They were not a little guy getting bullied; at the time, they were the bully and they had all the advantages.  They had literally crushed retailers who protested their trade practices by refusing to distribute to them, which was doom during the NES days.

No matter how much you want that martyr's shroud, it just doesn't gel with reality.

Nintendo had every chance in the world to compete with the PS1.  There are no excuses in business.



wombat123 on 27 July 2016
JRPGfan said:
The Wii U is the only nintendo console thats ever really dissapointed me.
I never believed the Nintendoom stuff, and still dont.

However I think something went really wrong at nintendo HQ, when they where planning the Wii U.
I hope NX turns things around.

They just got really smug and arrogant because of the overwhelming success the Wii and DS brought them.  There was probably some fear when Nintendogs didn't sell the 3DS like they thought it would while the rest of their confidence probably went away a couple of months before the Wii U's release when they found out that practically no one was going to support the console and that their developers were struggling with HD development.

I'm with you though in hoping that Nintendo has learned from their mistakes this gen.



pokoko on 27 July 2016
RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

Your points about moneyhatting and pushing out smaller competitors seem very strange when you consider that Nintendo locked up North America by forcing third-parties to sign exclusive contracts, a practice that would later be deemed illegal.  You can hardly say Nintendo was the victim of an unfair playing field when they benefited by draconian policies more than anyone.

I mean, you just made a post about how much money Nintendo has made.  They were not a little guy getting bullied; at the time, they were the bully and they had all the advantages.  They had literally crushed retailers who protested their trade practices by refusing to distribute to them, which was doom during the NES days.

No matter how much you want that martyr's shroud, it just doesn't gel with reality.

Nintendo had every chance in the world to compete with the PS1.  There are no excuses in business.

None of those practices from the NES days were valid anymore by the time the PS1 came around. They were gone during the SNES era already. How are they relevant then?

Nintendo had used "tricks", as you call them, to achieve market dominance, which they still held in the SNES era.  They were perfectly willing and able to run over any competitor who could not match them.  They were in the catbird seat and I doubt anyone can dispute that.  They had market influence, they had money, and they had brand exposure and recognition.

Had they made the right decisions, the Playstation probably would have finished second.

Heck, I remember when the N64 was expected to steamroll the PSX.  Instead, cartridges were smaller and very expensive, Nintendo charged higher royalties and controlled production in Japan, and third-parties went elsewhere.  It was less about what Sony did right than about what Nintendo did wrong.  "Tricks" were the least of their problems.