1: As I said, every Western multiplat released during the Wii U's early life came to the Wii U besides 3 EA games, sports games and GTA V. I don't want to defend EA as it's my least favorite major publisher and yes, they're a little evil XD

No, really. Just because I (we) don't like EA games, it doesn't mean that they're evil, biased, bad guys, etc. They're just companies that go where the money is.

2: 3rd parties flinging shit is not exclusive to Nintendo. Just look at how EA publicly expressed their dissatisfaction with the PS3 back in 2006 and 2007 and publicly threatened to weaken their support if things (price, market share and development tools) didn't improve. However, those things did improve and while it cost Sony an astronomical pile of money (something Nintendo CHOSE to avoid) it also helped to retain a healthy market share, brand awareness and relationship with 3rd parties.

You don't want Nintendo to suck it up to 3rd parties and that's fine. But don't act surprised when their support is better elsewhere. In my mind that has nothing to do with them being biased. The word "biased" is defined as "Having or showing prejudice" and 3rd party support on Nintendo consoles is not a result of prejudice. It is rather a result of rational thinking and basic (financial) logics.

The monkey that went over to the bucket full of fruits instead of the empty one wasn't prejudiced. It was just acting as a rational thinking creature and chose the option where it got rewarded.

 Yes, I compared EA with a monkey.

1: I've heard all of that about bad ports so many times now. The 3rd party ports I've tried on my Wii U have been fine. Personally, I believe it has more to do with the tastes of the majority of Nintendo console demographics. I don't believe 3rd parties are biased and only release bad ports on Nintendo consoles.

2: That most Western 3rd parties are developing many "mature" titles (which mostly don't sell great on Nintendo consoles) doesn't make them biased against Nintendo. It's just happens to be where they've found their market and way of earning money. You could argue that it isn't fair to expect Nintendo to help improve that "mature" market for them but don't call 3rd parties biased when they offer stronger support elsewhere where manufacturers actually go the extra mile in order to create platforms where 3rd parties thrive. Sony and Microsoft are sucking up to 3rd parties to the point where it sometimes actually conflicts with their own financial short term interests. Fair enough if you don't want Nintendo to do that but then don't complain about weaker support in the same breath. See my 2nd comment to Rol above.

3: You're saying that especially "non-mature" 3rd party titles couldn't compete with Nintendo? Very few of the top 15 selling 3rd party titles on Wii were "mature".

1. Just Dance
2. Zumba Fitness
3. LEGO games
4. Guitar Hero
5. The Experience
6. Carnival Games
7. EA Sports Active
8. Epic Mickey
9. Cooking Mama
10. Skylanders
11. Sonic and the Secret Rings
12. Deca Sports
13. Game Party
14. uDraw
15. My Fitness Coach

4: As you mention GoldenEye 007, No More Heroes, Sonic Unleashed and LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga all did great on Wii but at the same time they're all actually proof that 3rd parties will indeed support Nintendo if their games are selling well on their consoles.

GoldenEye 007 - All the following Activision shooters were on Nintendo consoles (007 Legends + COD: Black Ops + COD: Modern Warfare 3 + COD: Black Ops 2 + COD: Ghosts).
No More Heroes - Goichi Suda's next 4 games were all Nintendo exclusives (Flower, Sun and Rain + Fatal Frame IV + The Silver Case + No More Heroes 2).
Sonic Unleashed - The following Sonic and the Black Knight + Sonic Colors + Sonic Lost World + Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric + Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal + Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice were all Nintendo exclusives.
LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga - All the following 27 LEGO console games were on Nintendo consoles and 5 of them were Nintendo exclusives (LEGO Battles + LEGO Battles: Ninjago + LEGO City Undercover + LEGO City Undercover: The Chase Begins + LEGO Friends).

5: You criticize 3rd parties for not putting games like Resident Evil 5 and COD: Modern Warfare 2 on Wii in spite of the Wii being the market leader. I believe this was purely based on the Wii's weaker hardware specs. You don't want bad ports. Well, I think RE5 and MW2 would've run pretty bad on Wii's hardware. Additionally, in point 3 I listed the top 15 best selling 3rd party Wii games and there's not a single game like RE5 or MW2. Besides, MW2 was in development before GoldenEye 007 showed Activision that Wii had a market for shooters.

6: You can't just force motion controls into all those never attempted games you speak of. You could argue that the Wii had a "classic" controller but then the argument about biggest install base wouldn't be valid. Again, those big franchises wouldn't necessarily be big successes on Wii (see point 3).

7: I don't believe in this conspiracy and 3rd party bias against Nintendo. If there's money to be made, they'll come.

8: As I wrote to Rol: The monkey that went over to the bucket full of fruits instead of the empty one wasn't prejudiced. It was just acting as a rational thinking creature and chose the option where it got rewarded (also see point 2).

Let's just be honest, Nintendo home consoles won't see Wii level sales with any strategy that doesn't involve Nintendo taking a huge loss on hardware to be able to sell at a ridiculously low price. So Wii level sales isn't what Nintendo should be aiming for.

GTA Chinatown Wars was in the style of the original two GTA games, which never really sold very well. And it didn't "sell very poorly" - it sold 1.35 million copies (based on VGChartz numbers - which shouldn't be TOO inaccurate). It did better on DS than on PSP.

Assassin's Creed 3 was on Wii U... to quote GamesRadar: "Despite being bigger and, in many ways, better, ACIII is a flawed experience, held up by its incredible gameplay, and weighed down by a new infestation of bugs and poor design choices--and the Wii U version is the messiest of the bunch." And "The Wii U version in particular includes some problems all its own, like muddy visuals and weird looking textures. Sometimes it looks identical to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 version, and other times it looks like Connor’s textures haven’t fully popped in. Multiplayer is included, and it's a good time if you can get in a game, but that's a pretty big "if." The servers were almost entirely empty when we searched for people to play with, and unless something changes you'll likely experience the same frustration."

Meanwhile, let's look at its TV ads, like this one. Notice something? Which systems are listed at the end as getting the game? Here's another one. The official trailer. And here's another ad. And this one, and a launch trailer. The only time the Wii U got mentioned was in a single dedicated Wii U trailer, three months before release. Didn't even get a launch trailer.

Splinter Cell: Blacklist is no better. Here's a quote from NintendoWorldReport (because the only non-Nintendo-specific site that reviewed the Wii U version was Eurogamer Portugal, and it's not in English) - "During missions cutscenes would often crop up with only half their audio playing. The subtitles meant that, usually, I was still able to see what someone was saying, but the audio continued its one-side conversations on and off throughout my time with the game. While these glitches only really interfered with the gameplay at one point, during which I was forced to repeat a five-minute section due to being stuck in an elevator, it makes the entire experience feel like it was slapped together at the last minute."

I will say that at least they had commercials for Blacklist that included the Wii U logo...

These issues wouldn't be a problem with franchises established on a system, but neither Splinter Cell nor Assassin's Creed had established markets that would buy them immediately. Nintendo gamers have learned not to rush into purchases of third party titles, because they tend to be poorly ported, glitchy affairs.

COD:BO2 is a special case, because the CoD franchise (since Modern Warfare, at least) is built on multiplayer, and people won't buy a version for a system that their friends aren't getting. Add to this the fact that they didn't have post-release support... to such an extent that the Nuketown 2025 map, which others got at launch, took two YEARS to show up on the Wii U, and there was literally NO DLC packs released for Wii U - compared with four major packs for the other systems. And it's not like they hid the fact that it was going to play out that way. For a series like CoD, that's a great way to completely annihilate any chance of further sales, on a new system.

As I pointed out, ZombiU did better on Wii U than Zombi did on either PS4 or XBO. Rayman Legends did quite well despite Ubisoft handicapping the Wii U version's chances. Neither of these got any sort of follow up, though.

As I said, third parties aren't willing to put in the effort without pre-existing evidence of a market, and aren't willing to compete against Nintendo in anything except the "casual" market - hence why they've made no effort in the Fighting genre, the non-realistic Racing genre, Platformers, RPGs, etc. They release a lesser version of a game, and then expect it to sell as well as Nintendo's top-line titles despite never having attempted to build the market first.

When they release a game for it them I may believe.

GTA Chinatown Wars on PSP was a late port, and it was only made after the DS version bombed. But PSP already had two superior GTA games, LCS and VCS, that weren't limited by DS hardware. And these two games sold over 7 million and 4 million respectively on the system. the DS had a m Why should PSP gamers settle for less when the system is far more capable? On the DS, it was the best that Rockstar could have done with the series while keeping the gameplay intact.

AC 3 may have some issues on Wii U, but its not bad, I've played it a little on the Wii U, and its not noticeably worse than the PS3 version. The marketing, well I agree with you there, I didn't know the Wii U version wasn't marketed.

Splinter Cell Blacklist has some framerate issues on Wii U, but it also has the highest image quality of any console version. The framerate issues only occur in heavy action scenes, which is not the focus as its a stealth game. Its very good game too, so more people should have played it.

ZombiU was ported to PS4 and XB1 two years after the Wii U version, and these consoles have better survival horror games. But did DS have a better GTA like game, did Wii U have better open world games at launch than AC 3, and does it have a better stealth shooter than Splinter Cell Blacklist? It does not, but despite them not having competition they didn't sell, and that's primarily due to Nintendo fan's demographics.

That's also the reason why Rayman did better on Wii U than other consoles, its the demographics as Wii U has a huge platformer fanbase made by Nintendo.

As for building a fanbase why should third party bother when Nintendo gamers don't give them a chance and gamers on other consoles happily buy their games. As much as we are discussing technical details of games here, the general public does not know or care about them when they buy a game, only the hardcore gamers do. So their effect on sales of games is very small close to release of a game, but these games didn't have a good launch either.

Do you only game on Nintendo hardware?  If so, you, and others like you, are in the extreme minority (if I had to guess <1%) and your opinion isn't really worth that much to 3rd parties.

When ACIII was released, the Wii U was brand new, Ubisoft Montreal had 6+ years of development on the PS3 and Xbox 360 (and both versions still had their problems, along with the Wii U version), trying to get a port 100% correct on brand new hardware (when you have other hardware you are used to working with) is expensive and again the logical choice was to put a better effort on consoles where you have more experience one, and have the userbase that will buy it two.

Why would an company advertise a game to a userbase that is nonexistent?

Splinter Cell: Blacklist, same issue as ACIII, first year development for Ubisoft.  When you have development shared between other, more establish consoles, the weakest one (by hardware and marketshare) will get the least amount of attention.  What they make work for Rayman, they failed on those two games...which makes sense since Raymay was Wii U exclusive for all of its development, they had 100% dedication to it.  They delayed a completed game to allow other versions to release at the same time.

These issues wouldn't be a problem with franchises established on a system, but neither Splinter Cell nor Assassin's Creed had established markets that would buy them immediately. Nintendo gamers have learned not to rush into purchases of third party titles, because they tend to be poorly ported, glitchy affairs.

Whats with this Nintendo gamers have learned nonsense? These gamers didnt buy the Wii U version because there were better and cheaper options available to them which goes back to my first point of being a Nintendo only gamer.

It's possible, I just view it as unlikely enough that I can dismiss the opportunity.

1: Again, I don't believe 3rd parties are prejudiced or biased against Nintendo. They go where the money is. You act as if EA = all 3rd party developers. GTA V had been in development for far too long to receive a Wii U port and other than that only EA games didn't come to the console. Enough with the conspiracy theory about bias and intended bad ports. The ports I've played on Wii U have been fine.

2: Why should 3rd parties blame the PS and Xbox audiences when most of their games sell well with the PS and Xbox audiences? I agree, that they shouldn't publicly blame the Wii U owners (that's EA for ya) but other than that you can't deny they got a point. Their "mature" games (which represents most of their library) don't sell well on Nintendo consoles. Just look at Wii's top 15 best selling 3rd party games.

1. Just Dance
2. Zumba Fitness
3. LEGO games
4. Guitar Hero
5. The Experience
6. Carnival Games
7. EA Sports Active
8. Epic Mickey
9. Cooking Mama
10. Skylanders
11. Sonic and the Secret Rings
12. Deca Sports
13. Game Party
14. uDraw
15. My Fitness Coach

3: Again, I don't believe they're biased but due to history and past experiences they may expect their "non-mature" games to sell better than their "mature" games, I'll give you that. Whether that's fair I don't know but if making "mature" games is what they're best at, can we expect them to suddenly start developing a bunch of dancing and fitness games? I don't think so especially not now that most of Wii's audience is no longer interested in consoles.

Are you at times prejudiced against 3rd parties or is that a result of past experiences?

Exactly.

I don't like EA very much (I think they're too investor-driven) but EA ≠ all 3rd parties.

I'm tired of hearing what devs think of the NX, how about Nintendo just reveal it already and let the people tell what they think about the NX.