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daredevil.shark on 18 June 2016

Double post.



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daredevil.shark on 18 June 2016

A plan without proper execution is meaningless. They tried with Xbox One to implement DRM only future. Despite having good plans it failed. If they wants to blur generations then they need good plan and execution. From what we have seen they are not sure themselves what to do as their executives keeps saying different things in a Sh artery period of time.



JRPGfan on 18 June 2016

I rather each new generation going forwards be 100% backwards compatabile with the last gen, but each new gen, has its own games exclusive to it.

So they can "push" the limits of that hardware, without worrying about getting it to also run on the past gens stuff.



Conina on 18 June 2016
kitler53 said:

iterative hardware is much easier to plan and develop for.  you always target the existing hardware because it will take 3 years on market before they will be allowed to not target it.  the higher spec model is "unknown" but you can't use the power for the base game anyways just resolution and framerate.  far easier to work in this environment.

for gamers is means all their games are backwards compatible on new machines.  my version of uncharted 4 will work on ps4, ps4.5, ps5, ps5.5, ps6, ps6.5.  i like that.  it also means forward compatibility.  when the ps5 is out i'll probably still be able to play 90% of it's library on ps4 making the urgenty to upgrade much less.  my ps4 won't be supported forever but it will be better supported than the transitions between generations before.

this is also good for developers.  the reset on userbase is hard on games.  do you target the small but growing next gen userbase or the large but shinking last gen userbase?  now they don't have to chose.  you target both.  both consumers have access to the game (a think i think that is good for gamers).  and therefore both consumers have the ability to buy the game (a think i think is good for developers).

I agree. The forward compatibility will also lead to less of the (from many hated) remasters. They aren't really needed, if the original PS4 or XBO version runs better on a PS4.5, PS5.0, PS5.5... or Xbox 1.5, 2.0, 2.5.

The excess of Remasters on PS4 + XBO is mainly due to a transition period to x86. If they keep that architecture for future Xbox- and PS-iterations, the old versions will run just fine on newer/faster iterations.

Of course that doesn't mean that there will be NO remasters in the future, but the publishers/developers will have to put more effort in them to get people exited enough to double dip. Perhaps the old versions will be upgradable with high-res-texture DLCs or something similar.



KBG29 on 18 June 2016

Generations needed to die long ago, and I am so happy to see both Sony and Microsoft making the proper moves to ensure the health of gaming platforms going forward.

If we were not locked into the rediculos generational cycle, Vita could still be alive and kicking as a much slimmer handheld/phone, with much better tech. This would be a god send for gamers, as the current iPhone/Android market is a joke in this department.

By moving in this direction, PlayStation and Xbox can stay freash, and build a stronger consumer base than any stand alone generation ever has. This will be the best thng to happen to consoles since Sony joined the business in 1994 and changed the game.



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Swordmasterman on 18 June 2016
Conina said:
kitler53 said:

iterative hardware is much easier to plan and develop for.  you always target the existing hardware because it will take 3 years on market before they will be allowed to not target it.  the higher spec model is "unknown" but you can't use the power for the base game anyways just resolution and framerate.  far easier to work in this environment.

for gamers is means all their games are backwards compatible on new machines.  my version of uncharted 4 will work on ps4, ps4.5, ps5, ps5.5, ps6, ps6.5.  i like that.  it also means forward compatibility.  when the ps5 is out i'll probably still be able to play 90% of it's library on ps4 making the urgenty to upgrade much less.  my ps4 won't be supported forever but it will be better supported than the transitions between generations before.

this is also good for developers.  the reset on userbase is hard on games.  do you target the small but growing next gen userbase or the large but shinking last gen userbase?  now they don't have to chose.  you target both.  both consumers have access to the game (a think i think that is good for gamers).  and therefore both consumers have the ability to buy the game (a think i think is good for developers).

I agree. The forward compatibility will also lead to less of the (from many hated) remasters. They aren't really needed, if the original PS4 or XBO version runs better on a PS4.5, PS5.0, PS5.5... or Xbox 1.5, 2.0, 2.5.

The excess of Remasters on PS4 + XBO is mainly due to a transition period to x86. If they keep that architecture for future Xbox- and PS-iterations, the old versions will run just fine on newer/faster iterations.

Of course that doesn't mean that there will be NO remasters in the future, but the publishers/developers will have to put more effort in them to get people exited enough to double dip. Perhaps the old versions will be upgradable with high-res-texture DLCs or something similar.

I think that you mean Backwards compatibility, If was forward compatibility this doesn't mean that the PS4 and Xbox One would be able to run PS4.5, PS5.0, PS5.5 or Xbox 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, games ?.



Azuren on 18 June 2016
DevilRising said:
IE they and Sony want to con gamers into spending $400 a pop every two years or so instead of every five or six.

If Nintendo jumps on that bandwagon too, I might just be done buying game consoles. Might just have to get a Steambox eventually for indie games, who knows.

Xbox is a bit off track, but neither company are telling you that you have to buy a new console every two years (btw, it will have been three by the time PS4K comes out). Your XB1/PS4 that you bought in 2013 will still be supported and play the same games as the newer models, you'll just miss out on higher frame rates and 4K (both of which, if important to you, would have initially led you to PC).

 

In all honesty, this line of thought has become rather annoying because it is both wrong and spammed all over. I don't know why people assume Sony and Microsoft are going to remotely brick their consoles and make them by new ones, but this needs to stop. 



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d21lewis on 18 June 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Shadow1980 said:
Yeah. Good luck with that. Console generations aren't dictated by the companies, or by "innovation," or what have you. They don't even make new consoles simply because of "Hey, we got a lot better tech now so let's make a new system." They're dictated by sales, and it just so happened that the typical sales curve of a console gave us roughly 5 years between systems on average, which is plenty of time for a gamer to get a ton of use out of, build a solid library for, and generally get their money's worth out of their initial $200-400 investment. If MS tries to upset the apple cart by forcing a new paradigm (as opposed to having what amounts to one-off instance of offering a supercharged XBO to take advantage of 4K and VR), they can find themselves exiting the console market entirely. Maybe that's their plan. Who knows? But the console generation cycle exists for a good reason.

I don't know why all of a Sudden Console Generations are a bad thing, it seems that people want to get rid of them.

I don't think the majority feel that way at all!



Baryonyx on 18 June 2016
BasilZero said:
Baryonyx said:
I think when consoles becomes like phones is when we will see the end of gaming as we know it.

 

Gaming wont end.

 

Its just the beginning!

Never said it would end, just the way that we know it and if it's good or bad, we don't know but it isn't good so far. 



 

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