Now the most obvious ommission this side of E3 is that sony didnt say a thing about the Neo. 

I personally never believed we will see it this year simply cause i didnt see sony releasing a neo and PSVr in the same year but for a couple other reasons as well. Here is what i think.

First remember that like with the PS4/XB1, sony and MS are laying their lot with the same chip vendor. The only reason the PS4 ended up being more powerful than the XB1 was due to the kinda memory architectyre they went with. Sony wemt for unified GDDR5 and a simple APU and MS went with Unified DDR3 but had to pair that with a more complex APU with its own memory pool to compensate for the slower DDR3 which also meant they had less real estate available to them on the actual APU to put in as much stuff as sony could. 

Obviously, MS doesn't intend to make the same mistake again. And I just don't see sony, having reaped the benefits of having the "better" hardware all generation so far, being under no pressure at all, knowing fully well whats out there and what can be done or cant, having fewer limitations/complications than MS, just gleefully go out now and fuck that all up.

But this is where it gets interesting. I think both Sony and MS, are both working on $500-$600 consoles. 

Sounds crazy I know but hear me out. A $600 console on its own is doomed to fail. But a $600 console tied to a $250-$300 console is a gauranteed success. The way consoles work anyways is that one day $600 hardware becomes $300 hardware. But now they can simply take the Core and premium position and say "hey, you want 1080p gaming and you can have it for $300. You want 4k gaming and you can have that for $600". And just leave it there.

Sony and MS plan on making what they both consider to be the dream consoles using the core models of their consoles as a safety net. 

Another thing i think here is that in another 4yrs, we will get another refresh. Call it the PS5/XB2 (I'm seeing them more as refreshes). By then, the $500-$600 consoles will retail for sub $300, the current $300 consoles would be phased out and at that point we start to see game releases that only work on the newer consoles and Neo/scorpio but not on the base ps4/xb1. 

So what do you all think?

Sounds probable and I think we can now start to look at home console generations as a thing of the past. We will see new iterations with much higher frequency and I'm not to sure consoles will even release close to each other.

Yeah the universal library is key here. A $600 console on it's own would not get a sufficient install base on it's own, but as an extra on top of an already existing console it can only increase the install base.

I don´t think much will change for me.
I will eventually buy a new Playstation, but I think it will be by 2019, which should be PS5.
As for microsoft I don´t really care about what they have, but I guess I could play their games on PC if they get Sakaguchi to make another exclusive.

Anyway, I think $600 is too much regardless of being another option. $399 for the new one and $245 for the old one should be the way to go imo.

I dont think gaming will ever be primarily based off streaming. Its just too cost prohibitive. 

There is just no way around this, if 1M people are playing Let say Horizon at the same time. At exactly the same time, you are going to need a 1M servers that can run ome million instances of that game fir 1M gamers, or even more expenzive servers where each one can run 2 instances of thr gane fir 2 users. Either way its expensive. Very. 

Consoles require the consumer pays for most if not all of the hardware. Streaming requires that the platform holder pays for all of the hardware. Its just not feasible. It would always be cheaper and more efficient selling hardware to consumers. 

Ninty, well..... nintendo will nintendo. But there is an angle nintendo can take. I believe the will see success if they go for a handheld console thats poeerful enough to pass for a respectable home console too when plugged into a TV. 

Possible, but I doubt it. $500 is barely OK, but at $600, I don't think people are going to accept it right away. It's going to take a gradual rise to get up there, to get people used to paying more for console gaming. Depending on the old models' prices when the new models launch, even $500 might be stretching it.

I dont need a neo in my life I have a ps4, if the scorpio is as fast as it looks, I might buy it, altough I do have a PC that is comparable it sounds awesome, playing stuff on tv, cross buy with my pc and a serious powerhouse, I will look for the moment they actually show it

I used to feel the same way but after haven given it some thought i realized it doesnt make sense.

Typically, eveey 6-7yrs a new generation starts. You make a $400-$500 box and start from the beginning. People will only buy your console when the games they wsnt for it are available.

With this model, you alrewdy have your console out there. The core option is already $200-$300. You premium option isnt intended to outsell the cheaper option. Why gimp the premium option on power when you can make it as powerful as you can and sell it at a premium price to only the few 3-5M people a year that may buy it?

At the end of the day, the core models will still sell whatever they sell based on people looking at it and going "ok, 1080p is enough for me" or "all i have to spend is $250". Soccer moms would be able to buy their 7-11yr old kids the $200-$250 game console and those kids would be just as happy. In the end, the install base as a whole grows and is tied together. 

Exactly my point. Its not like the new iterations comes in and they just comoletely stop making the old ones making the new ones the only option.  There will still be a $250-$300 PS4/XB1 and there will be a $500-$600 PS4/XB1. Those that want to play the smae games in 4K, tjose thst care enough to buy a 4k tv over a 1080p TV, will have the option to do just that with their consoles too. 

Its more of a you dont really have to but if you must there is this kinda thing.

Well thats all well and good. This thread isnt about if neo or scorpio is better or which makes more sense or if you want to game on PC.

This is about the direction both sony and MS are going with iterative consoles, how they may be marketed and what prices they may come in. 

I would kinda like to know what the future plans and prices actually are before buying into a Neo or Scorpio. If it's going to be iterative hardware I'll skip this upgrade and go with NX instead. If a ps5 is still on the cards I might go for a Scorpio to bridge the gap until then.

I might just go look at a pc with a gtx 1070, should be quite affordable in a year. Without the excitement of a new wave of games that feel like a new generation has come, paying 500 or 600 for a new box is just not that enticing.

After this E3 I'm back on track for psvr and nx. New experiences trump better looking pixels. Although still no clue what NX is.