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jimmay on 29 March 2008
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again.

We've played this game before ... The only review you could find where the Wiimote was considered worse than dual analogue was Red Steel, in games like Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition there are quotes like " ... you'll discover the strengths of the new scheme and why, ultimately, the new Wii controls are superior." and "... Using the Wii remote, you can point at the screen and aim with a higher level of accuracy and speed than was previously possible." and " the extra speed and accuracy count for a lot. Birds that flew away before you could cap them in the GCN build will be a breeze to shoot dead in the Wii game. Headshots will come more naturally. Targeting legs and arms won't pose a problem. You will with very little practice be able to walk through environments with the analog stick, all the while setting up your next shot with pinpoint accuracy using the Wii remote. It's an undeniable improvement in control and one that helps you play better. " (IGN http://wii.ign.com/articles/797/797837p2.html )

 


No red steel wasnt the only game i could find, you said i couldnt even find one game that shows the wiimote having worse controls than dual analog and 30 seconds later after i did i quick search i found a review that said so. Resident evil 4 doesn't prove anything. The game was designed to be slow and you couldn't move your cursor around quickly not because the dual analog setup was incapable of doing that, it was deliberatly setup that way to make the game more scary.


http://wii.ign.com/articles/773/773509p1.html

"..."

"Blackhand Edition features over 25 unique motion controls, allowing you to pair up the nunchuk and Wii remote to deliver jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and power hits when fighting, IR aiming in both lock-on and free aim mode, and a ton of context sensitive grapple moves. It doesn't change the game by leaps and bounds, but after playing it on Wii I really can't see people wanting to go back to the traditional controls."

"..."

"When using firearms, players can either lock on and use the Wii IR to aim for specific areas (something that works relatively well, aside from a few non-fluid moves here and there), or press the "+" button and go into a total free-aim mode. Free-aim can be tweaked for sensitivity, and while this works great for making distance shots or quickly spinning to hit larger targets, it's often easier just to lock on rather than lining up a precise shot. Still, the option is there, and it's definitely a step above the dual analog option in the other versions."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/833/833766p3.html

"We've all become so focused on the next big leap in graphics that we sometimes forget that very few innovations have been introduced to home console-based first-person shooter control. For as good as the console version of Call of Duty 4 looks, the controls in Medal of Honor Heroes 2 absolutely spank it "

 


See the thing you fail to grasp is not every game released that uses dual analog controls is the pinnacle of how good dual analog controls can be. As somebody who has played both the godfather and medal of honor i can tell you right now that at best the controls for those games are average. Finding the odd opinion that isn't backed up by multiple other proffesional opinions is worthless, using ign for 'proffesional' opinions anyway is a joke because each console is set in it's own section and run by fanboys of that console.



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sc94597 on 29 March 2008
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again.

We've played this game before ... The only review you could find where the Wiimote was considered worse than dual analogue was Red Steel, in games like Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition there are quotes like " ... you'll discover the strengths of the new scheme and why, ultimately, the new Wii controls are superior." and "... Using the Wii remote, you can point at the screen and aim with a higher level of accuracy and speed than was previously possible." and " the extra speed and accuracy count for a lot. Birds that flew away before you could cap them in the GCN build will be a breeze to shoot dead in the Wii game. Headshots will come more naturally. Targeting legs and arms won't pose a problem. You will with very little practice be able to walk through environments with the analog stick, all the while setting up your next shot with pinpoint accuracy using the Wii remote. It's an undeniable improvement in control and one that helps you play better. " (IGN http://wii.ign.com/articles/797/797837p2.html )

 


No red steel wasnt the only game i could find, you said i couldnt even find one game that shows the wiimote having worse controls than dual analog and 30 seconds later after i did i quick search i found a review that said so. Resident evil 4 doesn't prove anything. The game was designed to be slow and you couldn't move your cursor around quickly not because the dual analog setup was incapable of doing that, it was deliberatly setup that way to make the game more scary.


http://wii.ign.com/articles/773/773509p1.html

"..."

"Blackhand Edition features over 25 unique motion controls, allowing you to pair up the nunchuk and Wii remote to deliver jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and power hits when fighting, IR aiming in both lock-on and free aim mode, and a ton of context sensitive grapple moves. It doesn't change the game by leaps and bounds, but after playing it on Wii I really can't see people wanting to go back to the traditional controls."

"..."

"When using firearms, players can either lock on and use the Wii IR to aim for specific areas (something that works relatively well, aside from a few non-fluid moves here and there), or press the "+" button and go into a total free-aim mode. Free-aim can be tweaked for sensitivity, and while this works great for making distance shots or quickly spinning to hit larger targets, it's often easier just to lock on rather than lining up a precise shot. Still, the option is there, and it's definitely a step above the dual analog option in the other versions."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/833/833766p3.html

"We've all become so focused on the next big leap in graphics that we sometimes forget that very few innovations have been introduced to home console-based first-person shooter control. For as good as the console version of Call of Duty 4 looks, the controls in Medal of Honor Heroes 2 absolutely spank it "

 


See the thing you fail to grasp is not every game released that uses dual analog controls is the pinnacle of how good dual analog controls can be. As somebody who has played both the godfather and medal of honor i can tell you right now that at best the controls for those games are average. Finding the odd opinion that isn't backed up by multiple other proffesional opinions is worthless, using ign for 'proffesional' opinions anyway is a joke because each console is set in it's own section and run by fanboys of that console.

Where the hell is your source then. Also who said the wii is using the full potential of the controls. Most of the ign reviewers are suppose to be unbiased anyway. If they are then they get fired.

 



HappySqurriel on 29 March 2008

So jimmay, your entire argument seems to be "Find me something that disproves my point!" and when people do you put your fingers in your ears and say "Nah, nah, nah, nah ... I can't hear you!" ... Very mature!



sc94597 on 29 March 2008

I hate to say this , but Jimmay you fail. You ask for something, then you deny, but you have yet to prove your right.



jimmay on 29 March 2008
Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
 

*smashes head against brick wall*

no i'm talking about in one instance with one game that can't be directly compared with anything, i am talking overall, i'm talking about scientific tests where a respected indepentent website makes identical movements will the wiimote and dual analog sticks and measures the amount of time it takes for movement. And incase you haven't noticed ign is split upto into sections for each console and the people that run each section are fanboys of said console.


He has a ton more evidence than you do right now. Do you have any proof of your claim at all? Can you back it up with anything other than your opinion? If we are in a debate of opinions then you should probably trust the majority. Currently you are the only one claiming the dual-analog is better.


He has zero evidence, this has already been done before, all that happens is we go back and forth picking out the odd review here and their and nothing changes. The fact is i have experenced the wiimote lag everywhere i go and im still waiting for somebody to post a link to a website that does scentific tests comparing wiimote movement to dual analog movement and shows that the wiimote is more accurate.



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jimmay on 29 March 2008
Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.

And I am waiting for your link to a respected website that says dual-analog is better than wiimote. I guess we will both be waiting a while.


If it's so obvious that the wiimote is more accurate then their should be no trouble in finding conclusive proof and posting it...


If it's so obvious that dual-analog is more accurate then their should be no trouble in finding conclusive proof and posting it...

See what I did there?


Yes you didn't prove me wrong and wasted a post.If it's so obvious you should have no problem posting a link.



HappySqurriel on 29 March 2008
jimmay said:
Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.

And I am waiting for your link to a respected website that says dual-analog is better than wiimote. I guess we will both be waiting a while.


If it's so obvious that the wiimote is more accurate then their should be no trouble in finding conclusive proof and posting it...


If it's so obvious that dual-analog is more accurate then their should be no trouble in finding conclusive proof and posting it...

See what I did there?


Yes you didn't prove me wrong and wasted a post.If it's so obvious you should have no problem posting a link.


I'll let you in on a little secret, which will help you if you ever get to higher education. When you are making an argument it is necessary for you to support your argument; it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove a statement you make, it is your responsibility to prove your statements.



sc94597 on 29 March 2008
jimmay said:
Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
 

*smashes head against brick wall*

no i'm talking about in one instance with one game that can't be directly compared with anything, i am talking overall, i'm talking about scientific tests where a respected indepentent website makes identical movements will the wiimote and dual analog sticks and measures the amount of time it takes for movement. And incase you haven't noticed ign is split upto into sections for each console and the people that run each section are fanboys of said console.


He has a ton more evidence than you do right now. Do you have any proof of your claim at all? Can you back it up with anything other than your opinion? If we are in a debate of opinions then you should probably trust the majority. Currently you are the only one claiming the dual-analog is better.


He has zero evidence, this has already been done before, all that happens is we go back and forth picking out the odd review here and their and nothing changes. The fact is i have experenced the wiimote lag everywhere i go and im still waiting for somebody to post a link to a website that does scentific tests comparing wiimote movement to dual analog movement and shows that the wiimote is more accurate.


 Where is your fking evidence. You are like "give me evidence" "give me evidence" , but where is yours. Reviews are meant to be unbias, and this means that they should be credible. If a review was done by a fanboy wouldn't you think all AAA games will have 10s. 



FJ-Warez on 29 March 2008

Come on jimmay, where is the evidence???

Or is only your opinion???



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Gnizmo on 29 March 2008
jimmay said:

 


Yes you didn't prove me wrong and wasted a post.If it's so obvious you should have no problem posting a link.


And what have you done to prove anyone else wrong exactly? I hae played with both and say dual-analog is shit compared to the wiimote. Where are your scientific tests to prove me wrong? You have absoltely nothing backing you up. You don't even have the odd review here or there. At this point it is just trolling. How about this, you find something that would be acceptable proof and then someone can try and find it for you. So far you just claim the evidence provided isn't good enough because independant game reviewers clearly have no clue what they are talking about.



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