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ArchangelMadzz said:
StarDoor said:

Also, it's interesting that you mentioned the US specifically, since the Switch is actually ahead of the PS4's first year there, even with two fewer months on the market.

PS4 NPD 2014 Monthly Cumulative Switch NPD 2017 Monthly Cumulative
Jan 271k 271k Jan    
Feb 285k 556k Feb    
Mar 280k 836k Mar 910k 910k
Apr 199k 1035k Apr 281k 1191k
May 197k 1232k May 165k 1356k
Jun 269k 1501k Jun 216k 1572k

 

Hahahahaha what? Nintendos launch month is higher than PS4's 6th month whilst both have been supply constrained? Are you really THAT dishonest?

The fact that NS is behind on the last 2 months are a sign of things to come, don't get carried away the Switch won't get close to beating the PS4. 

What, exactly, are you accusing me of being dishonest about? You do realize that the Switch is still supply constrained in the US as well, right? I literally just posted the data and made a statement that the Switch is ahead when you look at the first year.

Let's look at the rest of the year:

PS4 NPD 2014 Monthly Cumulative XOne NPD 2014 Monthly Cumulative Switch NPD 2017 Monthly Cumulative
Jan 271 271 Jan 141 141 Jan    
Feb 285 556 Feb 258 399 Feb    
Mar 371 927 Mar 311 710 Mar 910 910
Apr 199 1126 Apr 115 825 Apr 281 1191
May 197 1323 May 77 902 May 165 1356
Jun 269 1592 Jun 197 1099 Jun 216 1572
Jul 187 1779 Jul 131 1230 Jul    
Aug 190 1969 Aug 160 1390 Aug    
Sep 538 2507 Sep 284 1674 Sep    
Oct 297 2804 Oct 168 1842 Oct    
Nov 831 3635 Nov 1231 3073 Nov    
Dec 1065 4700 Dec 1297 4370 Dec    

The only "dishonesty" is that I initially misread the March 2014 NPD thread.

Not that it matters, because the Switch will be ahead of the PS4's first year after the July NPD. I guess you don't keep up to date with the Japanese weekly sales threads? Because Nintendo shipped about twice the amount of consoles there in July that they did in June, likely indicating a shipment increase worldwide. But even if they don't increase shipments to the United States at all, the Switch can just sell 216k, like in June, and be ahead.

I guess you didn't see the reason I brought it up. I'm not saying that the Switch will be ahead for the whole year. The point is that the Switch is currently selling at the same pace as another very successful console in the United States (and is half a million ahead of another successful console,) so it's ridiculous to claim that the Switch only sells well in Japan or that its sales have petered out.



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VariantFSS said:
DarthMetalliCube said:
Ah what a surprise, hardcore gamers underestimating Nintendo yet again.. :/

Selling about a million units a month is the current average but the system sold well and petered out quickly. So It may still fall out real quick and potentially wither prematurely. I do not expect Switch to do worse than Wii U or PS Vita but I don't expect Switch to outsell PSP. Will Switch be a commercial success at 80 million units? I would say so... In truth I do not expect Switch to outsell The 3DS. Maybe topping out at 61 million.

That would mean Switch would need to continue selling an average of 1 million units per month for 5 years.

Putting things in perspective PS4 on average has sold about 1.4 million units per month over 46 months to reach 63 million units. It is still tracking faster than PS2!

Over the past 5 months from March 3rd 2017 to August 3rd 2017 Switch has shipped 4.7 million units... So in actuality Switch could be selling slightly less than 1 million units per month.

Once again holiday season 2017 will likely see a huge boon for Switch, but what if it doesn't? If Switch sells less than 3 million units this holiday season I would be a bit surprised. As anticipated Switch selling more than a quarter of Wii U's lifetime sales in 5 months is more than great but will Mario keep this momentum going? We have seen some big titles already come to the platform including re-releases of Mario Kart and the 2nd highest rated game ever Zelda: BoTW.

This hasn't helped Switch outsell PS4 on a global scale (If US≠World then Japan≠World is also true).

I don't want Nintendo to fail as a company but Switch isn't what the masses wanted and it isn't what big developers wanted either... Nintendo lightening up on who gets dev units isn't a bad thing but it doesn't mean only good things are coming either.

No they shipped 4.70 million from 3rd March to 30th June, 1 quarter.



No different from the Wii U will outsell PS4, ps4 will be a failure, Wii U will at least outsell x1 threads that were all over here😂😂😂😂😂



StarDoor said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Hahahahaha what? Nintendos launch month is higher than PS4's 6th month whilst both have been supply constrained? Are you really THAT dishonest?

The fact that NS is behind on the last 2 months are a sign of things to come, don't get carried away the Switch won't get close to beating the PS4. 

What, exactly, are you accusing me of being dishonest about? You do realize that the Switch is still supply constrained in the US as well, right? I literally just posted the data and made a statement that the Switch is ahead when you look at the first year.

Let's look at the rest of the year:

PS4 NPD 2014 Monthly Cumulative XOne NPD 2014 Monthly Cumulative Switch NPD 2017 Monthly Cumulative
Jan 271 271 Jan 141 141 Jan    
Feb 285 556 Feb 258 399 Feb    
Mar 371 927 Mar 311 710 Mar 910 910
Apr 199 1126 Apr 115 825 Apr 281 1191
May 197 1323 May 77 902 May 165 1356
Jun 269 1592 Jun 197 1099 Jun 216 1572
Jul 187 1779 Jul 131 1230 Jul    
Aug 190 1969 Aug 160 1390 Aug    
Sep 538 2507 Sep 284 1674 Sep    
Oct 297 2804 Oct 168 1842 Oct    
Nov 831 3635 Nov 1231 3073 Nov    
Dec 1065 4700 Dec 1297 4370 Dec    

The only "dishonesty" is that I initially misread the March 2014 NPD thread.

Not that it matters, because the Switch will be ahead of the PS4's first year after the July NPD. I guess you don't keep up to date with the Japanese weekly sales threads? Because Nintendo shipped about twice the amount of consoles there in July that they did in June, likely indicating a shipment increase worldwide. But even if they don't increase shipments to the United States at all, the Switch can just sell 216k, like in June, and be ahead.

I guess you didn't see the reason I brought it up. I'm not saying that the Switch will be ahead for the whole year. The point is that the Switch is currently selling at the same pace as another very successful console in the United States (and is half a million ahead of another successful console,) so it's ridiculous to claim that the Switch only sells well in Japan or that its sales have petered out.

It's dishonest cause you're comparing a launch month to a consoles 6th month and going from that point on after to say it's doing as well. 

It is not currently selling at the same pace because they're at different points in their life at that point in time. That is the dishonesty. 



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ArchangelMadzz said:
"VR, 4K, third parties, many exclusives, streaming and already established install bases (30M+ for XB and 60M+ for PS) by the time the NX will release" Correct, even the sales figures.

"Mark my words, the NX will be outdated compared to them, and its library will be extremely lacking." Still correct.


Only problem is that despite all these it's selling really well.

While I fully agree it's software is lacking, when you have arguably the BEST Zelda game launching with Switch well..... I'd argue X1 and ps4 library are  lacking because it doesn't have BOTW 😉. That's how important that game is to millions of people.

Also it's selling on potential, people know Pokemon is coming, splat2 already out so splat3 pretty much guaranteed, SMO etc etc. 

In essence it's a great console, just limited atm, we no it just needs time. Just like when I got a ps4 early 2014, I knew it just needed time, now look at it's library (X1 you nearly out if time lol)



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PAOerfulone said:
1 year later. Oh my, oh my, what do we have here?

Hahahah in one of my "early" postings in this thread, I quoted that "content sells consoles", and wrote my hope for the NX was ~2Teraflops standard console.

Atleast I wasnt on the bandwagon that though it would be DOA.



ArchangelMadzz said:

It's dishonest cause you're comparing a launch month to a consoles 6th month and going from that point on after to say it's doing as well. 

It is not currently selling at the same pace because they're at different points in their life at that point in time. That is the dishonesty. 

The PS4 launched in November, and the Switch launched in March. Any comparison is going to have that issue, and the alternative is no comparisons whatsoever. You don't think adding the PS4's sales from January and February makes it any more fair? If you just look at the Switch's three non-launch, non-holiday months versus those same months in 2014 for the PS4, the Switch is still matching that:

PS4 2014     Switch 2017    
Apr 199 199 Apr 281 281
May 197 396 May 165 446
Jun 269 665 Jun 216 662

(By the way, March 2014 is the PS4's fifth month.)



Looks like I completely missed this thread first time around. It's certainly an amusing read, but I'd prefer to wait and see how the Switch does over the holiday period before poking fun at the OP.



StarDoor said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

It's dishonest cause you're comparing a launch month to a consoles 6th month and going from that point on after to say it's doing as well. 

It is not currently selling at the same pace because they're at different points in their life at that point in time. That is the dishonesty. 

The PS4 launched in November, and the Switch launched in March. Any comparison is going to have that issue, and the alternative is no comparisons whatsoever. You don't think adding the PS4's sales from January and February makes it any more fair? If you just look at the Switch's three non-launch, non-holiday months versus those same months in 2014 for the PS4, the Switch is still matching that:

PS4 2014     Switch 2017    
Apr 199 199 Apr 281 281
May 197 396 May 165 446
Jun 269 665 Jun 216 662

(By the way, March 2014 is the PS4's fifth month.)

You're still missing the point. There is no point of comparison between the 2 in terms of matching months. The same way it would be unfair to compare the first month of PS4 to Switch because it was the holiday season. 

I think it would be good for Switch if it sells half of what PS4 sells when this gen is over. (Ie 50 million) 

Ah my bad for some reason I thought the PS4 launched in October



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Rem87919394 said:
No different from the Wii U will outsell PS4, ps4 will be a failure, Wii U will at least outsell x1 threads that were all over here😂😂😂😂😂

Come on Nintendo fans get burned a lot when it comes to digging up old prediction threads, let 'em have this one ;) 



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