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DakonBlackblade said:
JRPGfan said:

PS4neo will probably be close to scorpio in features and capabilities.

2306*2*0.911 = 4.2 Tflops. (PS4 neo)
2306*2*1.2 = 5.5 Tflops. (normal RX 480 for pc) (which could be what the scorpio has)

^ this is most likely the differnce.

I like this post because it talks about a rumor regarding a rumor and compares it with a rumor about another rumor and does all that like its all facts.

No, he's still treating it as a hypothetical. 



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GribbleGrunger said:
Bryank75 said:
Isn't it funny how negative all these threads about Neo were before Xbox Scorpio was known about.... it's almost like MS is doing them a favor. Now everyone is asking: will Neo go up to 5.5? Pushing for the most power.

I really hope every one of these Neo's sells out. I want it to be super successful.

And absolutely no talk about the Scorpio splitting the userbase even though it's said to be able to run Oculus. Amazing.

Particularly on twitter, I've noticed it become a vehicle for some of the more "colourful" characters associated with xbox to push this narrative of Xbox being "top dog" again in the power race. Of course power matters now...and they cannot wait for the first game to hit Digital Foundry. 

They even started a whole scorpio symbol to replace "M" in peoples names on twitter...... which is fine but also a bit desperate from another perspective. If it was something to support a good cause, great. But it just goes to show how hard the past 2.5 years have been for these super-fans. 

 

On another note, I was in the chat of a friends gamescast and Mike Ybarra just popped into the chat randomly....seems like a nice guy!



Azuren said:
setsunatenshi said:

Yes, that's true, plus there has been no indication at all that this new Xbox would be sharing the game library with the Xbox 1, so I tend to think it would actually be a new 'generation' and MS throwing in the towel earlier.

If the supposed 5.5 TFLOPs performance is true then it means they are done with esram completely (good for them, about time) which would mean a complete change in architecture.

The reason why not many seem to care is because afterall only 20M were sold so far and the initial vision has changed so much (mandatory kinect, always online drm, cloud computing processing graphics for games lol,etc) that pretty much everyone is quite jaded by now.

MS was caught with the pants down screwing the maid this generation and no matter what they would do it would still look stupid, probably they realized it's time to reset and get a fresh start. Too little too late? perhaps

The problem with that is prematurely kickstarting 9th Gen will land them even more ire, since Sony will likely not play along. Considering the user base, PS4 will get the majority of exclusives, though maybe not the best console versions. For Scorpio to be successful, it'd have to stoop down to 8th Gen, which would defeat the purpose of such a beefy upgrade.

 

MS stands to split their already smaller userbase and then piss off a lot of people when 99% of their games don't have better engines than their PS4 counterparts. An early 9th Gen would be an early grave for Xbox.

I agree with that as well, added to the fact that 1st party wise Xbox is in a terrible shape, small precence in Europe, nearly invisible presence in Japan (Asia) and starting from 0 all over again. I mean... they probably have some cards to play, like trying to bring a full Windows experience to a unified box, but knowing their modus operandi, they would try to push Live instead of partenering up with Steam and really opening up their library with the already existing PC market. Basically trying to play both sides at the same time.

That's what I can imagine would be a possible strategy, but I don't know if it would be a winning one.



setsunatenshi said:

Yes, that's true, plus there has been no indication at all that this new Xbox would be sharing the game library with the Xbox 1, so I tend to think it would actually be a new 'generation' and MS throwing in the towel earlier.

If the supposed 5.5 TFLOPs performance is true then it means they are done with esram completely (good for them, about time) which would mean a complete change in architecture.

The reason why not many seem to care is because afterall only 20M were sold so far and the initial vision has changed so much (mandatory kinect, always online drm, cloud computing processing graphics for games lol,etc) that pretty much everyone is quite jaded by now.

MS was caught with the pants down screwing the maid this generation and no matter what they would do it would still look stupid, probably they realized it's time to reset and get a fresh start. Too little too late? perhaps

Surely the Scorpio will share the same library as the XB1 though? I can't see MS doing that to be honest, especially when they've currently dropped the price and are pushing hard for sales. Wouldn't the XB1 userbase be pretty annoyed if they suddenly find their XB1 games don't run on the Scorpio and that console they just bought a year or a month ago is only good for 'last gen' games? The more I look at this (if you and others are right) the more I think MS really don't want to be in the console space any more and the Scorpio could well be PC in an Alienware like box.



 

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Azuren said:
DakonBlackblade said:

I like this post because it talks about a rumor regarding a rumor and compares it with a rumor about another rumor and does all that like its all facts.

No, he's still treating it as a hypothetical. 

The words he is using treats it as a very likely hipothesis, wich we know at this point in time is not true. But regardless it was just a joke post, ppl need to take thing less seriously sometimes, realy.



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GribbleGrunger said:
setsunatenshi said:

Yes, that's true, plus there has been no indication at all that this new Xbox would be sharing the game library with the Xbox 1, so I tend to think it would actually be a new 'generation' and MS throwing in the towel earlier.

If the supposed 5.5 TFLOPs performance is true then it means they are done with esram completely (good for them, about time) which would mean a complete change in architecture.

The reason why not many seem to care is because afterall only 20M were sold so far and the initial vision has changed so much (mandatory kinect, always online drm, cloud computing processing graphics for games lol,etc) that pretty much everyone is quite jaded by now.

MS was caught with the pants down screwing the maid this generation and no matter what they would do it would still look stupid, probably they realized it's time to reset and get a fresh start. Too little too late? perhaps

Surely the Scorpio will share the same library as the XB1 though? I can't see MS doing that to be honest, especially when they've currently dropped the price and are pushing hard for sales. Wouldn't the XB1 userbase be pretty annoyed if they suddenly find their XB1 games don't run on the Scorpio and that console they just bought a year or a month ago is only good for 'last gen' games? The more I look at this (if you and others are right) the more I think MS really don't want to be in the console space any more and the Scorpio could well be PC in an Alienware like box.

I don't think it's a matter of 'want', but a question of 'can'. Remember that the current XB1 games are using a DDR3 + ESRAM memory architecture that is itself taking space on the APU. The only way they could get some type of APU that would match or overtake the PS4 (neo or otherwise) would be by ditching the ESRAM and going for GDDR5 like the PS4 did. This would mean that you couldn't simply plug and play the same games onto the new box without them being worked around the new architecture. This would take time and $ to do. When people were worried about the PS4 and Neo split, that would be the equivalent of moving a graphic setting slider from mid setting (PS4) to high/ultra (PS4 Neo). For the new Xbox it would be more like porting a game from Xbox 360 to Xbox 1 without emulation.

I'm sure some people will bring some crazy ideas like cloud computing and secret spicy sauce soon enough to explain it away.



setsunatenshi said:

I don't think it's a matter of 'want', but a question of 'can'. Remember that the current XB1 games are using a DDR3 + ESRAM memory architecture that is itself taking space on the APU. The only way they could get some type of APU that would match or overtake the PS4 (neo or otherwise) would be by ditching the ESRAM and going for GDDR5 like the PS4 did. This would mean that you couldn't simply plug and play the same games onto the new box without them being worked around the new architecture. This would take time and $ to do. When people were worried about the PS4 and Neo split, that would be the equivalent of moving a graphic setting slider from mid setting (PS4) to high/ultra (PS4 Neo). For the new Xbox it would be more like porting a game from Xbox 360 to Xbox 1 without emulation.

I'm sure some people will bring some crazy ideas like cloud computing and secret spicy sauce soon enough to explain it away.

Yeah, I was aware of the problems the design of the XB1 would engender but because I'm stupid when it comes to tech I didn't know if there would be a simple work around. To be honest, I'm still not convinced the Scorpio really exists and think it could be simply a rumour leaked to stop more 360/XB1 owners buying a PS4/Neo. The biggest problem MS have is the online userbase, which of course is why they're now suddenly keen on having crossplay with the PS4. People gravitate towards the console their friends play games on and online is at the centre of that. Make it crossplay and that's no longer a problem.



 

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setsunatenshi said:

I don't think it's a matter of 'want', but a question of 'can'. Remember that the current XB1 games are using a DDR3 + ESRAM memory architecture that is itself taking space on the APU. The only way they could get some type of APU that would match or overtake the PS4 (neo or otherwise) would be by ditching the ESRAM and going for GDDR5 like the PS4 did. This would mean that you couldn't simply plug and play the same games onto the new box without them being worked around the new architecture. This would take time and $ to do. When people were worried about the PS4 and Neo split, that would be the equivalent of moving a graphic setting slider from mid setting (PS4) to high/ultra (PS4 Neo). For the new Xbox it would be more like porting a game from Xbox 360 to Xbox 1 without emulation.

I'm sure some people will bring some crazy ideas like cloud computing and secret spicy sauce soon enough to explain it away.

I can imagine developers releasing patches so that their games can be compatible with the Scorpio, if the hypothetical situation is true. Even then, that takes a lot more work than implementing a slider.

GribbleGrunger said:

Yeah, I was aware of the problems the design of the XB1 would engender but because I'm stupid when it comes to tech I didn't know if there would be a simple work around. To be honest, I'm still not convinced the Scorpio really exists and is simply a rumour leaked to stop more 360/XB1 owners buying a PS4/Neo. The biggest problem MS have is the online userbase, which of course is why they're now suddenly keen on having crossplay with the PS4. People gravitate towards the console their friends play games on and online is at the centre of that. Make it crossplay and that's no longer a problem.

Microsoft hasn't mentioned MAUs over the last few NPD statements. While I agree that the XB1 currently has an online userbase problem, I think the homogeneity of the console's library is the even bigger problem. A monotonous library will lead to a monotonous userbase, which will limit the appeal of games of certain genres like JRPGs.



Is it good or not?



costarica said:
Is it good or not?

Very. Were it not for the advent of Pascal Nvidia cards, even many PC gamers' jaws would drop. 



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