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Nautilus on 29 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
If these people are willing to risk limb and life to get in Europe to flee poverty, bad conditions, political persecution or else, why shouldn't they be welcome.

We signed the Human Rights treaty and we're going to enforce it by any means necessary.

Because it encourages an endless supply of people to come in. You tell me how Europe is going to maintain millions of migrants every year. You tell me how much this'll cost. You tell me the consequences the generations after yours will face because of these actions! You've shown no remorse for your people or country, which faces so many problems with immigrants! 

Its not even that.Accepting those imigrants is only remeding the problem, not solving it.Their contry will still have economic and/or political problems, and people will get getting poor, and having children that will be poor in the future, creating an endless cicle.Why should other countries, that have nothing to do about it, deal with the outcome?

The actual thing that we should be making is trying to fix their own country, or this will never end(having people is bad conditions).



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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hershel_layton on 29 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
Article 14 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights exists so these people can be helped out. Articles 13 and 15 reinforce this. How many basic human rights would you deny for the sake of convenience?

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

What amazing logic

 

 

Sure, China is rich, but look at the setbacks. Do you think people there live in mansions and use money as toilet paper? No. Most people are stuck working in factories and get horrible wages.

 

As for africa, it's always had a horrible history(unlike China and india). Don't forget that China is considered one of the greatest dynasties in the history of human kind. 

 

Africa is an entire continent. Much bigger than India or europe. To say, "work hard" and expect any sort of difference is farcical. Africa has a horrible history. Not only that, but you can't do much with a place that's basically an oven. At least other areas are resource rich(or have any resources at all). 

 

Africa is something that won't be solved until the next century(of we started working on it today and kept working). The damage is simply too much



 

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barneystinson69 on 29 May 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

Because it encourages an endless supply of people to come in. You tell me how Europe is going to maintain millions of migrants every year. You tell me how much this'll cost. You tell me the consequences the generations after yours will face because of these actions! You've shown no remorse for your people or country, which faces so many problems with immigrants! 

Oh please. The problems! Belgium can handle much more then we're handling now. Incidents with immigrants haven't been severe except for some brawls between immigrants in migration centra, which was mainly due to poor conditions. The consequences will be that the nationalists will have to accept that our society, which is now more then ever (and always has been) multi-cultural, will become more cosmopolitan.

We could build walls, but when did that ever work? I stand by my point. Or we accept them, or aid in their own regions or we'll have to withdraw from the Human Rights declaration.

Spoiler alert: the last one ain't happening.

You mean the terrorist attacks commited by 2nd generation immigrants who were born in ghettos never happened? Nationalism is bad? Multi-culturalism is good? How about you back this up and tell me how multi-culturalism has worked. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559682

Merkel said this a few years ago, and only now changes her mind. Guess she really wants the nobel peace prize...



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

KungKras on 29 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
KLXVER said:

Why do you care? I mean you living in Canada and all...

So? I mean 1/2 my blood is European, and I care greatly about them. Wonderful continent, 1000s of years of history, and for the most part good people (had it rough with some Germans).

[EDIT] NVM misread the post. I wish this forum had a delete post function



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barneystinson69 on 29 May 2016
hershel_layton said:
barneystinson69 said:

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

What amazing logic

 

 

Sure, China is rich, but look at the setbacks. Do you think people there live in mansions and use money as toilet paper? No. Most people are stuck working in factories and get horrible wages.

 

As for africa, it's always had a horrible history(unlike China and india). Don't forget that China is considered one of the greatest dynasties in the history of human kind. 

 

Africa is an entire continent. Much bigger than India or europe. To say, "work hard" and expect any sort of difference is farcical. Africa has a horrible history. Not only that, but you can't do much with a place that's basically an oven. At least other areas are resource rich(or have any resources at all). 

 

Africa is something that won't be solved until the next century(of we started working on it today and kept working). The damage is simply too much

Then I guess the people need to deal with it, as Europe can't immigrate 1 billion of them. There are issue's they need to solve, but if they work to it it can be done in less than 2 generations. And China and India has just as many people as Africa, so I don't see whats different



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

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Nautilus on 29 May 2016
KLXVER said:
Nautilus said:

Do you need to be an european to care about the situation?I mean, fi there is a war somewhere and people are dieng on it, there is no problem since I dont live there right?

Think before you post something like this.

Well he seems to not want people to come here. Why does he care if he doesnt live here? I still dont know why he hates the idea...

I just explained why....

he just wants the best for Europe.You are not solving the world problems by letting them in.These countries(the ones the imigrants come from) will continue to "produce" people in bad conditions because their economy/politics keeps draging the country down(corruption, lack of better administration, etc).The actual right thing to do is go and fix those countries problems, which is something thats not easily done.If you just keep acepting people in, these refugees wont stop comming, because who wouldnt turn down a chance to have a better life?That in consequence will bring problems to Europes own countries problems, such as finding jobs for those people, making them learn the language, spending money keeping them healthy, and long term problems too, such as providing a good retirement pay for them and many more.

I mean, 80% of Chinas population is poor and Im pretty sure a good percentage of that numbers lives in bad condition.Do you really think Europe can simply say,"hey come on over!" and solve all the worlds problems?



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

WolfpackN64 on 29 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Oh please. The problems! Belgium can handle much more then we're handling now. Incidents with immigrants haven't been severe except for some brawls between immigrants in migration centra, which was mainly due to poor conditions. The consequences will be that the nationalists will have to accept that our society, which is now more then ever (and always has been) multi-cultural, will become more cosmopolitan.

We could build walls, but when did that ever work? I stand by my point. Or we accept them, or aid in their own regions or we'll have to withdraw from the Human Rights declaration.

Spoiler alert: the last one ain't happening.

You mean the terrorist attacks commited by 2nd generation immigrants who were born in ghettos never happened? Nationalism is bad? Multi-culturalism is good? How about you back this up and tell me how multi-culturalism has worked. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559682

Merkel said this a few years ago, and only now changes her mind. Guess she really wants the nobel peace prize...

Nationalism is not only bad, it's completely useless. I don't engage in imagined communities. As for the attacks by 2nd generation immigrants. These are very reflective for a society which has failed on multiple fronts to provide a state which truly gives people equal rights and equal chances. Our government should have invested in these people decades ago, but even now, their only awnser to the social problems is sending in more police.

But all things considered, things are mostly quiet. Our biggest problem is our government filled with right wing a*holes, who have caused a lot of damage for the poorer and lower middle-class.

Merkel accepted a lot of immagrants under impulse from German industry and business because they need cheap-labour. She didn't do it because she suddenly grew a conscience.



Nautilus on 29 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
Nautilus said:
I agree with you.Unfortunaly the situation wont be resolved, because their own countries, the ones those "refugees" comes from, are a terrible mess.And for as hard as it is, Europe need to do this, otherwise this will only get worse, and they will see themselves in a crisis in no time.

But why exactly? How about we actually fix the root of the problem, which is these countries are piss poor! Encourage having less children, encourage women to work, encourage people to fight for fair wages! Get the corrupt leaders and banks off the backs of these people, and fight for a better country! Look at South Africa, it has its problems but its far better than most of the continent! 

Its because the country is so deep in sh*t, with corrupted politicians, ignorant people, or are in a so extreme porvety that they simply do not care.Some country, like Congo, is basically a big Mafia center.Many of those countries culture(and please dont bash me for it) has never had the concept, like most first world countries have, that you should work honestly and do your best to get yourself out of the situation.Or it is so deep in corruption, that nothing short of a war will take them out of it.There are some that had bad luck, im pretty sure, but many are liek this now because of its own people and its own legacy.Its a complicated mess.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

KLXVER on 29 May 2016
Nautilus said:
KLXVER said:

Well he seems to not want people to come here. Why does he care if he doesnt live here? I still dont know why he hates the idea...

I just explained why....

he just wants the best for Europe.You are not solving the world problems by letting them in.These countries(the ones the imigrants come from) will continue to "produce" people in bad conditions because their economy/politics keeps draging the country down(corruption, lack of better administration, etc).The actual right thing to do is go and fix those countries problems, which is something thats not easily done.If you just keep acepting people in, these refugees wont stop comming, because who wouldnt turn down a chance to have a better life?That in consequence will bring problems to Europes own countries problems, such as finding jobs for those people, making them learn the language, spending money keeping them healthy, and long term problems too, such as providing a good retirement pay for them and many more.

I mean, 80% of Chinas population is poor and Im pretty sure a good percentage of that numbers lives in bad condition.Do you really think Europe can simply say,"hey come on over!" and solve all the worlds problems?

No, but saying "No, you cant come in. Now go back and die in your own country" is not an option either. Its easy for us that live in stable countries to say "Sort out your own shit" or "Someone sort the shit out in that country". Meanwhile thousands of people are dying. They dont have years to sit around and wait for their country to be "fixed". They dont have a say in how their country is run most of the time. Maybe do some thinking before posting yourself...



barneystinson69 on 29 May 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
barneystinson69 said:

You mean the terrorist attacks commited by 2nd generation immigrants who were born in ghettos never happened? Nationalism is bad? Multi-culturalism is good? How about you back this up and tell me how multi-culturalism has worked. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559682

Merkel said this a few years ago, and only now changes her mind. Guess she really wants the nobel peace prize...

Nationalism is not only bad, it's completely useless. I don't engage in imagined communities. As for the attacks by 2nd generation immigrants. These are very reflective for a society which has failed on multiple fronts to provide a state which truly gives people equal rights and equal chances. Our government should have invested in these people decades ago, but even now, their only awnser to the social problems is sending in more police.

But all things considered, things are mostly quiet. Our biggest problem is our government filled with right wing a*holes, who have caused a lot of damage for the poorer and lower middle-class.

Merkel accepted a lot of immagrants under impulse from German industry and business because they need cheap-labour. She didn't do it because she suddenly grew a conscience.

Equal rights and chances? That's BS! You've seen just how welcoming Europe has been, they don't want to integrate! Why do they isolate themselves from society and try to have their own laws! Its not that Europe hasn't been nice to these people, but that you haven't forced them to assimilate! In NA, you WILL asssimilate, or you won't be welcomed. Europe has FAILED to do this, and no amount of equal rights will make a difference. I hope you realize this, but its clear you'll fight me on it to the very end. I'm more than willing to engage in meaningful discussion, but I hope you're willing to at least consider changing your opinion. 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).