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Peh said:
Streaming games is dead for me and it will stay dead for me until the end of humanity.
I doubt any truth in this rumor. Others tried to establish a streaming game service and failed miserably. Don't think that Nintendo will try to set a foot in something so unstable, when the hardware sells of their current home console are so low.

Im Honestly okay with streaming games but only for games where lag input doesnt matter (rpgs, visual novels, walking simulators, simulators, ect).

 

Turn based RPGs for ex, it doesnt matter if you push the "attack" button and then theres a 1sec delay before your character on screen acts.

But a Mario platformer? a 1sec delay between button press and the guy on the screen jumping, would make mario unplayable.

 

The time it takes data travels on the net, from your house -> server (half ways around the world) -> back to your house, is alot longer than if you just own the console physically and play  the game on that.

 

That is something people dont mention, about stream gameing, but its always a issue.

Theres no easy fix for it. Its not even a bandwidth issue, so just getting insanely fast download/upload speeds wont help it any.

 

Also because Streaming services want "most people with internet" to be able to get a enjoyable experiance, they compress sound & image.

So its easier to stream in bandwidth requirements. The result is you get a uglier looking game, with worse audio.



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Single player games would require a subscription...

I swear if the casual console gamers screw us again I'll rage forever! I already complain enough about how bad it is that you have to pay to play online on consoles. It was already insane!

Anyway it seems "too" stupid and crazy I have my doubts this will be true.



Synesthesia said:
Single player games would require a subscription...

I swear if the casual console gamers screw us again I'll rage forever! I already complain enough about how bad it is that you have to pay to play online on consoles. It was already insane!

Anyway it seems "too" stupid and crazy I have my doubts this will be true.

The good news a "stream gameing" service box could be cheap... like 100$ cheap.

 

The bad news, the subscription costs will go way up, to deal with server costs going that way (we are talking over 100$/year).

Also compressed image quality (which will hold back 4k gameing), compressed audio sounds (worse quality than now), and many times higher input lag.

Some places dont have the net to support such a thing (low speed, data caps, to far from host servers), for them nintendo would just become a "non viable".



There is a solution ...

NX is a home console able to stream their games to a portable NX like to WiiU gamepad but can pass through Internet networks, see through telephone networks.

Portable NX could be autonomous, does not need to be powerful, just a decompression chip H.265 ... the other advantage is the low power consumption, if the CPU and GPU are not solicited because it is streaming, the biggest consumption will screen ...

remember Iwata in 2014:

“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,”
“It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”

From a technological standpoint, the Wii has brought a powerful streaming profile ...
Why not improved since that is the future of video games ?






Maybe this is a part of the NX but not all of it?
I'm mainly thinking of that patent that they registered with cloud computing and streaming working in tandem.
Maybe the lowest entry point to the NX platform is an ARM based handheld/gamepad like controller with a subscribtion service and a dongle. But I would imagine it scales from there. There should be a home console with physical games in there somewhere, one hopes.

Nintendo has mentioned Apples ecosystem as an example to strive for, so I could see them having multiple Skus that complement each other and the ones too weak to play demanding games stream those over the subscibtion service, while the higher priced SKUs are capable of playing everything. It would also explain the multitude of architechtures and varying degrees of power we've heard about the system. (Aside from just no one actually knowing anything, and everyone just making shit up.)



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JRPGfan said:
Synesthesia said:
Single player games would require a subscription...

I swear if the casual console gamers screw us again I'll rage forever! I already complain enough about how bad it is that you have to pay to play online on consoles. It was already insane!

Anyway it seems "too" stupid and crazy I have my doubts this will be true.

The good news a "stream gameing" service box could be cheap... like 100$ cheap.

 

The bad news, the subscription costs will go way up, to deal with server costs going that way (we are talking over 100$/year).

Also compressed image quality (which will hold back 4k gameing), compressed audio sounds (worse quality than now), and many times higher input lag.

Some places dont have the net to support such a thing (low speed, data caps, to far from host servers), for them nintendo would just become a "non viable".

This would probably be a pro for me considering i buy like 4 wii u and 2 3ds games a year. So only spending about A$100 a year for games would be pretty great. 



Hope to god this isn't true. MP games would be virtual hell with this!



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Good thing this is a rumor.. :/



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This seems like one of the more farfetched/unbelievable rumors that have been getting attention lately.



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jason1637 said:
JRPGfan said:

The good news a "stream gameing" service box could be cheap... like 100$ cheap.

 

The bad news, the subscription costs will go way up, to deal with server costs going that way (we are talking over 100$/year).

Also compressed image quality (which will hold back 4k gameing), compressed audio sounds (worse quality than now), and many times higher input lag.

Some places dont have the net to support such a thing (low speed, data caps, to far from host servers), for them nintendo would just become a "non viable".

This would probably be a pro for me considering i buy like 4 wii u and 2 3ds games a year. So only spending about A$100 a year for games would be pretty great. 

Except if for what ever reason you find yourself without the money to pay for a subscription you would be locked out of everything. Renting without options is and always will be a bad thing for consomers regardless of a few individuals. Not acknowledging that is just asking for trouble. Not to mention once the servers are offline for any reason everything is gone.

 

@JRPGfan, haha, My original post was actually going to bring up some of those points (I was lazy). Like the ability for this to be successful even in 10 years from now doesn't seem like a good idea or a good thing for gamers. Latency alone would make 99% of everyone's experience poor and thats without mentioning all the things you did. I don't think some people realize that the internet is still infantile. It has a very long way to go and it'll likely be 20-30+ years before this stuff should even start to be considered. We may not have the infrastructure for it then either.

Admittedly despite my joking I am worried the newer generation's casual gamers would adopt without thinking. Things like paying to play online was laughed at back before the 360. So much so, not many considered it a threat. Then you look at Mobile and the kids that steal their parents credit cards to pay up thousands to some crappy game for shit that used to be free in games and its been spilling more and more into your AAA games. People saying they need to make money even though their profit margins are far greater then they ever were in the past. Most games spent months to be profitable, now most AAA make profits on day one.

I'd include PS Neo in that rant but I'm tired of explaining why the way it's being done, not that its being done, is toxic.

 

 

Again all that said I have a hard time believing Nintendo would go through with something like this. It's gotta be an extra optional service for the console IMO if true. Perhaps a service allowing the connection from your in home system to handheld. The home system acting as your personal server. That would reduce load on Nintendos servers handling that data as the go between and reduce costs significantly.