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KLXVER said:
CosmicSex said:

I think this is a case of embarassment.  They know they fucked up by their own rules but if they take the score down, it will open them up for everyone else to make petitions.  Yes, the score should not be here but this is an issue of pride and while I do support the petition, I think it should be left so people can know not to take Metacritic so seriously. 

Well because of the Metacritic people are taking it seriously. If the review wasnt on MC, then nobody would make a petition. People who doesnt take MC seriously doesnt make petitions to take reviews off it.

You're saying that if the review wasn't on Metacritic then no one would make a petition to remove it from Metacritic.

That's ... probably true.



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pokoko said:
KLXVER said:

Well because of the Metacritic people are taking it seriously. If the review wasnt on MC, then nobody would make a petition. People who doesnt take MC seriously doesnt make petitions to take reviews off it.

You're saying that if the review wasn't on Metacritic then no one would make a petition to remove it from Metacritic.

That's ... probably true.

Exactly. Meaning that people take MC very seriously.



Bandorr said:
KLXVER said:

MC said on Twitter that 4/10 was the score that WP provided us.

Curious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/review-uncharted-4-finds-brotherly-love-amid-spectacle/2016/05/11/f76beb2a-1773-11e6-971a-dadf9ab18869_story.html

Is their first review (written on the 11) and is their real review.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/05/12/uncharted-4-a-thiefs-end-review-this-four-part-series-should-have-ended-after-part-one/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na

Is their second review (written on the 12th) and is their joke review.

Maybe a further part of the joke - is actually submitting the fake one?

The joke is the petition. The joke is all the clicks and ad revenue they're receiving. The joke is the almighty uproar and attention they're getting. 

 

They're making a joke out of everyone. Most big games suffer something similar yet... People still can't learn and get sucked in. 



CosmicSex said:
KLXVER said:

Well you cant review a game with all that shit hanging over you. Its amazing that any game gets made at all. Many people work hard and spends alot of their time working on a game. You can only write about what you think of the game itself. That guy gave it a 4/10 because thats what he believes it deserve. I dont agree with him, but thats another story.

MC obviously has more information than we do on the case. They said WP provided them with a score, so I believe them. Why would they lie? WP had two people review the game and they chose one to send to MC. I dont know if they did it to get more clicks or if they just changed their policies.

I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you but there are a few details I want to clear up:

The guy didn't give it a 4/10.  MC said they got they reaced out to WP to get the score.    WP didn't submit anything.  Thats not how Metacritic works according to the quy on twitter.  He said they go to sites and look for staff reviews.  Articles aren't submitted.  He said that he didn't accept the 10/10 because it wasn't a staff review (even though the Comic Rifts article wasn't staff reviewed either).   So yes they are lying about something or they are blatently making up rules as they go.  

The idea that he would reach out to WP to get a score doesn't make sense because it wasn't WP's review anyway nor was the 10/10 AP review.  Thats the crux of the controversey.  WP can't give a score because it isn't their's to score.  Only the reviewer himself could give a score.  The whole thing is a scam and still I think we need to keep the score to remind everyone not to trust MC like they are infalible. 

Well I guess Im just used to BS, so this doesnt seem like a big deal to me...



I'm sorry but this is so cheesy!



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KLXVER said:
pokoko said:

You're saying that if the review wasn't on Metacritic then no one would make a petition to remove it from Metacritic.

That's ... probably true.

Exactly. Meaning that people take MC very seriously.

No more than reviews themselves.  Look at the way people embarrassed themselves getting furious over a Pokemon review not that long ago.



pokoko said:
KLXVER said:

Exactly. Meaning that people take MC very seriously.

No more than reviews themselves.  Look at the way people embarrassed themselves getting furious over a Pokemon review not that long ago.

True. Which is why I think this whole Uncharted 4 anger is mostly because people dont agree with the review.



mornelithe said:
spemanig said:

That question was rhetorical, dude. Keep up.

Your point was that there is an issue with media sites posting bad reviews to drive traffic, which is a sentiment based on nothing. Your bolded, underlines quote was a proposed solution to a problem you assume exists based on nothing. It doesn't matter what it means. It's based on nothing. That was my point. Who are you to decide if it was done to increase traffic? Why would "the profession of journalism" have to deal with a problem that likely exists exclusively in your imagination.

I know this isn't about reviews. That last sentence was a tangent, which is why it was separated from the preceding paragraph.

No, it's not rhetorical, because it has an answer and I gave it.  Troy Baker.   You may have meant it rhetorically, but, you may not have known that Troy Baker signed the petition, so, it's of no consequence.

Now, I'm not really sure why it matters who I am.  Some of the smallest and most unimportant people have changed the course of history.  So, attacking my bona fides doesn't really make much sense.  Nevermind that I highly doubt you'd be capable of asking this question of Troy Baker, is he close enough to the industry for his concern to register w/ you?   Nevermind that if you look at the games in question, FH2, and here UC4, you'll notice that there's literally _1_ negative review for both games (20 and 40 respectively), whereas the meta is 86 and 93 respectively.  Not much of a stretch to theorize from there.  Granted, it's not proof, then again, you have nothing.

You're contradicting yourself. Of course it has an answer. It's a question. All questions have answers. It's still a rhetorical question. A rhetorical question is a question who's sole function is to push a rhetoric from an assumed answer rather than to enquire. All that matters is that I meant it rhetorically and that my inferred answer is understood for it to be a rhetorical question. I asked "Who cares," because the assumed answer in the context that I used it in was "no one should care." When anyone asks "who cares," the assumed answer is always "no one blah blah." It doesn't matter if you have your own answer for it. I didn't ask the question so you could answer it. I asked the question to push the rhetoric that no one should care about a joke review.

Not even Troy Baker. Everyone at Naughty Dog could tweet about this and it wouldn't change the sentiment.

And by the way "who are you to blah blah blah" is rhetorical too. It doesn't matter who you are. I'm not trying to learn about you as a person. I'm being rhetorical. You are not in a place where you have the insight or knowledge to spew that kind of accusation at anybody. That's the rhetoric. People changing history or whatever doesn't matter. I wasn't asking. I wasn't "attacking your bona fides." I was being rhetorical. Troy Baker didn't say or imply that he thought that gaming media made bad reviews for hits. You did. He literally doesn't matter in any of this. You're not basing your accusation on anything but the fact that two reviews don't match the popular consensus. So it's either they did it for the clicks, or the far more likely reason the reviewers just didn't like the fucking games.

Or it was just satire, in which case, who the fuck cares? (Don't answer that. It's rhetorical.) It's a joke.

And I'm not sure you get how this stuff works. You are the accuser, not me. I don't need to have anything - you do. It's not proof, so there's no "then again" here. It is a stretch, and you don't have an even remotely solid foundation from which to make an accusation of ethics like that on such weak theory. You have nothing, and that's all that matters when you're the accuser.

P.S. I follow Troy on twitter and I actually read the OP of the thread. Of course I knew about his endorsement.



KLXVER said:
pokoko said:

No more than reviews themselves.  Look at the way people embarrassed themselves getting furious over a Pokemon review not that long ago.

True. Which is why I think this whole Uncharted 4 anger is mostly because people dont agree with the review.

In some cases, it doesn't actually matter about the reason.  I know I'm not mad about a Metacritic score.  I make fun of Metacritic all the time.  However, if there is a problem, I think it should be fixed.  That's just a matter of practicality.  Fix it now and it won't keep being a problem.  I can step over a hole in the road with little effort but if that hole gets fixed then I won't have to worry about stepping over it each and every time.



I can't help but feel a little embarrassed that there is a petition to remove a review because it drops a point off a highly regarded game. Although MC sometimes is seen as serious business...



 

              

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