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Trump or Clinton

Trump 444 33.61%
 
Clinton 487 36.87%
 
Undecided 109 8.25%
 
Not of age or not American 281 21.27%
 
Total:1,321
Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Meh Europe may have issues right now with immigration, but that's largely probably due to US meddling in the Middle East.

The US is barely accepting any refugees from anywhere as is and that's not changing Trump or no Trump. They're basically leaving Europe to deal with that mess.

Beyond that though European countries are superior to the US in many ways. For one you don't have to worry about your damn kid getting shot to death just going to school or the movies and 2/3rds of population isn't grossly obese, generally speaking I find most Europeans are better educated than average Americans and doing anything to be famous/rich isn't priority no.1 in most people's life.

WTH? Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Holland etc have taken in masses of migrants from poor countries since the 1980's. These countries have been politically correct and multicultural for three decades. And even if these young, strong and healty people from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that now are flooding our gates there's no reason to let them in.

Yeah, maybe the life of Europeans on average is slightly better than for the average American at least if you look at Northern Europe. But what do these countries do to the world? Nothing cool. What good would it bring the world to make USA another "equal" nation like Europe?  From USA comes everything cool - Hollywood movies, video games, cool presidents, war, weapons, power games, pop music, Elvis, Miami Vice, Michael Jackson and so on.

Generally speaking I don't think Americans are all that happy. Mental illness and drug addiction (be it to "medical" drugs or illegal narcotics) is rampant in every demographic, people randomly losing their mind and shooting up a school/grocery store/movie theater/preschool is a common event, yes Michael Jackson and Elvis were great performers but they were also pretty fucked up people if you actually research them.

Hollywood movies are generally senseless nonsense at this point. I'd rather ingest poison than listen to a Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber album, modern pop music is utter shit.

Europeans tends to fetishize American culture, it's not how you think it is on TV, lol. Most people here are also in monsterous personal debt, struggling to pay off credit cards, student loans, living basically month to month, if anything goes wrong (like a medical condition popping up) they're fucked.



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Clinton, I guess. Maybe she'll get impeached and arrested so her vp will take over. 



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

WTH? Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Holland etc have taken in masses of migrants from poor countries since the 1980's. These countries have been politically correct and multicultural for three decades. And even if these young, strong and healty people from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that now are flooding our gates there's no reason to let them in.

Yeah, maybe the life of Europeans on average is slightly better than for the average American at least if you look at Northern Europe. But what do these countries do to the world? Nothing cool. What good would it bring the world to make USA another "equal" nation like Europe?  From USA comes everything cool - Hollywood movies, video games, cool presidents, war, weapons, power games, pop music, Elvis, Miami Vice, Michael Jackson and so on.

Generally speaking I don't think Americans are all that happy. Mental illness and drug addiction (be it to "medical" drugs or illegal narcotics) is rampant in every demographic, people randomly losing their mind and shooting up a school/grocery store/movie theater/preschool is a common event, yes Michael Jackson and Elvis were great performers but they were also pretty fucked up people if you actually research them.

Hollywood movies are generally senseless nonsense at this point. I'd rather ingest poison than listen to a Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber album, modern pop music is utter shit.

Europeans tends to fetishize American culture, it's not how you think it is on TV, lol. Most people here are also in monsterous personal debt, struggling to pay off credit cards, student loans, living basically month to month, if anything goes wrong (like a medical condition popping up) they're fucked.

Well, you have to take some losses for all the amazing things you create.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Generally speaking I don't think Americans are all that happy. Mental illness and drug addiction (be it to "medical" drugs or illegal narcotics) is rampant in every demographic, people randomly losing their mind and shooting up a school/grocery store/movie theater/preschool is a common event, yes Michael Jackson and Elvis were great performers but they were also pretty fucked up people if you actually research them.

Hollywood movies are generally senseless nonsense at this point. I'd rather ingest poison than listen to a Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber album, modern pop music is utter shit.

Europeans tends to fetishize American culture, it's not how you think it is on TV, lol. Most people here are also in monsterous personal debt, struggling to pay off credit cards, student loans, living basically month to month, if anything goes wrong (like a medical condition popping up) they're fucked.

Well, you have to take some losses for all the amazing things you create.

What's so amazing about America these days? Everything they make is made in China anyway, who is the "coolest" pop star today? Taylor Swift? Anyone really give a shit? She's about as bland as vanilla ice cream. Hollywood makes nothing but superhero movies because too chicken shit to do anything else. That or Star Wars made in the 1970s. Video games descend primarily from Japanese culture.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Well, you have to take some losses for all the amazing things you create.

What's so amazing about America these days? Everything they make is made in China anyway, who is the "coolest" pop star today? Taylor Swift? Anyone really give a shit? She's about as bland as vanilla ice cream. Hollywood makes nothing but superhero movies because too chicken shit to do anything else. That or Star Wars made in the 1970s. Video games descend primarily from Japanese culture.

Actually you are right in that American culture has become real shit lately lol

I despise most of it. Europe is better, much more genuine.



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Soundwave said:
Kane1389 said:

Like I said those are my opinions, lets see what happens, but he is getting beat pretty soundly by Clinton in a majority of polls, I think there's like one of 20 (the Rassmussen phone survery) were he's up on  Clinton by 2 points. In the CNN poll he's down 13, even with Fox New he's down 5.

I think you're kidding yourself too if you don't think Latinos are going to mobilize and come out en masse to vote in this election. You don't insult someone like that and think they're just going to forget about it. This will likely be the largest Hispanic turn out I would bet.

And more women vote than men these days 54% of voters were women in the last election and I don't see that declining as there will be plenty of excitement for making Clinton the first female president (identity politics as you say).

Polls, again, predicted he wouldnt last past the debates and put Jeb in front in GOP. While they are a significant indicator, they are by no means the final judgment.

He attacked illegal immigrants(which cant vote anyway) not Lations, this has been said milions and millions of times already, how many times must this be repeated until Trump haters realise the truth. Or i guess its more convinient for the left to mark anyone they hate as racist, sexist, xenophobic etc. It's their number one tactic after all



Soundwave said:
Kane1389 said:

Like I said those are my opinions, lets see what happens, but he is getting beat pretty soundly by Clinton in a majority of polls, I think there's like one of 20 (the Rassmussen phone survery) were he's up on  Clinton by 2 points. In the CNN poll he's down 13, even with Fox New he's down 5.

I think you're kidding yourself too if you don't think Latinos are going to mobilize and come out en masse to vote in this election. You don't insult someone like that and think they're just going to forget about it. This will likely be the largest Hispanic turn out I would bet.

And more women vote than men these days 54% of voters were women in the last election and I don't see that declining as there will be plenty of excitement for making Clinton the first female president (identity politics as you say).

your assuming he insulted latinos and that they dont agree with his policies. Latinos who emigrated here legally will support trump, latino and conversatives have far more in common than latinos and democrats. They left mexico and south american countries to get away from the kind of politics the left plays. Illegal immigrants are not the same as legal migrants. Latinos that have emigrated here legally dont want to see the same thing happen to america that has happened in their countries of origin, crime, corruption, and lack of a good future. We shall see in the end. But Trump may be the first republican to make California Red again, a gme changer! I wouldnt generalize all mexicans/latinos as the same, they are a diverse group and most are not the wild and crazy protestors that you have seen in Califonria lately, most are hard working citizens who dont want their neoghborhoods to go to crap with crime and gang violence.

I dont see why women would support hillary either. She doesnt treat women as good as trump, she has to deal with bill and his constant cheating and covering up, she doesnt give more pay to women on her staff. She may well be woman who identifies as a man. who knows.

Right now the economy and foreign policy will be what people decide their vote on, and right now the democrats have killed the economy and the world is in distress due to their policies. time for change. not too mention the repulicans have been electing more local officials than deomcrats over the lasst 8 years, thank obama for that.



Sanders. I'm not convinced he will lose yet (for Clinton to win a majority with pledged delegates alone she would need to win 71% of upcoming contests, which seems highly unlikely). Even if Clinton wins the primary though I will vote for Sanders.

I see Trump and Clinton as both being equally terrible in different ways. Clinton is more conciliatory with the LGBT crowd and is generally a feminist but her foreign policy is scarier than anyone else's in the race (well, equally with Trump's). Also I have very little trust in her after observing the way she's behaved throughout the years and especially throughout this primary. The hiring of professional internet trolls and characterization of women who don't vote for Clinton as betraying their gender were especially vile actions. I have plenty of issues with Hillary's policy stances but when it comes to electing a president I don't actually believe that it should come down to policy alone.

When you elect a president that decision is cemented in for four years. Which is a relatively long time, you can't know exactly how congressional politics will play out over the years and you don't know from the policy positions alone what will be compromised (because in politics there is always compromise on some level) in terms of the final legislation. In this light it only makes sense that one has to take in a greater set of facts than policy positions, one has to take in to consideration a candidates character and their judgement. Clinton's judgement has proven terrible: she supported the Iraq war, she convinced Obama to go ahead with the catastrophic Libyan regime change (which characterizes the main problem with her foreign policy approach: a lack of long term planning), when the financial crisis hit she gave a speech to wall street investors and bankers where she largely blamed the people who had been tricked into financial scams and gave the real criminals an excessive benefit of doubt, and the list goes on. Trump on the other hand espouses an absurd foreign policy of isolationist realism which plays with nuclear fire.

Neither of these people deserve my vote, I see both of them as ruinous to the future of this nation. This poll really should have an 'other' option as the ballot does allow write-ins.