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Lawlight said:
Runa216 said:

You don't really understand how RottenTomatoes works, do you?  It's not about how GOOD the movie is, but how successfully it did what it was supposed to. 

By your metric, you're trying to say that Zootopia was a better film than The Dark  Knight.  While I adore both films, it'd be foolish to assume that Zootopia is better than The Dark Knight.  Couple that with the fact that Spy Kids (the first one) was actually a pretty great movie in its own right and the fact that film Criticism was different back in, what, 2004 when it came out?  things change.  Times change. We get more perspective and we get harder on all forms of media.  

There's more to a film's quality than its RottenTomatoes score.  That number simply shows a vague representation of how many people liked it at that time, it's not a perrenial ranking system.  Stop being dense just to prove your faulty point. 

And what point is that?

The truth is that critics (the number of which is proportional to its time of release) recommend Spy Kids more than they would recommend Civil War. That's if you believe in the RT system. I don't since I don't think critics are just opinions among millions of others and are more prone to bias than regular users (non-fanboys).

False.  To date, Spy Kids only has 126 reviews averaging at 7.2; Civil War has 297 reviews averaging at 7.6.  At the time when Civil War had 126 reviews, it had a 94 rating from critics vs the 93 Spy Kids presently has.  Furthermore, Spy Kids only pulls a 46% approval from the Audience averaging a 2.6, whereas Civil War has a 91 averaging 4.4.

I know that you REALLY, really want to craft a Strawman Argument here, but a cursory glance at the review scores objectively disproves your claim that Spy Kids is better received on RT than Civil War.  It is a very poor attempt at a Strawman.

Now, do try to stay on topic.  This is Civil War surpassing BvS (you know, those two superhero Versus Movies released by rival companies targeting the same audience and within 2 months of one another?) as the topic; not Civil War surpassing Spy Kids.  



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I liked Civil War better than BvS, but I liked BvS all right. So I'm happy to see both movies doing well, and IMO it's right that Civil War is ahead.

Now we just need the trifecta of X-Men doing well.

Then of course I really want to se Dr. Strange do well. That's a risky proposition (totally unkown character outside of the MC fanbase) and if Disney/Marvel pull it off it's gonna be party time with the bean counters.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Runa216 said:
Like why not give Wonder Woman the Spear? Why did Lois Lane throw said spear into the water? and no, 'because she's stupid' is not an acceptable reason. How did anyone other than Superman know that Doomsday was Kryptonian? Only he and Lex were there for its creation and only they knew of its origin. Why would batman go "I thought she was with you", When he had actually SENT her the email with the information showing that he knew who she was. He asked for her and was still like "I thought she was with you". Why in the world would Superman say "Save Martha"? NOBODY CALLS THEIR MOTHER'S NAME! that's just so stupid.

Anyway, it's clear throughout this movie that Superman and Batman both are stupid, which spits in the face of the concept of Batman being super smart. It's just dumb that they didn't try to talk it out like Stark and Cap did in the airport scene. Also, it's clear in the Avengers that they're not trying to kill one another. "The plan was to go easy on them" or "You're pulling your punches." Character depth through actions and motivations.

Superman told both WW and Batman: "he is from my world". What else could that mean besides doomsday being from krypton?

 

Why do you want Superman to give the spear to wonder woman? He wasn't gonna ask her to do the job because she seemed stronger than Superman in that fight, it would be un"superman"ish to ask someone to do such a dangerous mission on his behalf.

 

"I thought she was with you". Wonder Woman just blocked a beam coming from Doomsday, similar to the one Superman shoots. Afterwards, she performed a superhero special move lol. It's very logical of Batman to think she is related to Superman. It doesn't necessarily mean that Batman was implying she is on Superman's side. 

 

Maybe Lios was trying to hide the spear? And not just throw it? 

 

You want Superman to say "SAVE MY MOM" when Superman doesn't even belong to earth. How would Batman even realize that his mom is on earth?

 

......Not that I think these are legitimate reasons to hate the movie but seriously, find better things to criticize. Like the fact why in the world didn't Batman and Superman just try to talk it out, that's a good thing to label as stupid, that's an actual problem that made the movie look dumb and you have a point there, but it's diluted with unnecessary nitpicking.. 

I mean, if those kind of things you consider as "plotholes" then please. Do explain how on earth black panther was in a jet following the others without being noticed by all those smarties? Black widow is with guards in a sealed vechile and she comes out unscathed? Arguing for hours over the right way to reduce collateral damage and yet they are blowing up the airport? Scarlet Witch left alone in that fight so that she convenietly interferes when it's the right moment for her to interfere. If the goal was to stop them from reaching the jet or the plane, why didn't just destroy that right away? It's not like they had a problem with leaving wreckage behind..... I am sure I can nitpick on more stuff but it's been a week since I watch the movie.

I can tell you this, both movies are far from being logical and tight.

You are condescending to people who liked BvS telling them there is NOTHING TO LIKE ABOUT IT and when they tell you why you throw a list of mainly non-issues to prove the movie sucks, just lol



AsGryffynn said:
LurkerJ said:

Lol. It must be hard for you these days to say you liked BvS better than the CW. But here is the thing, you are not getting old, the good moments in BvS trumps those of CW. BvS bad moments were really bad though. 

It's like two pop singers releasing trashy songs, one top the charts and is endorsed by the hipsters and the other one isn't. Both are microwave popcorn in the end, one has a better synthetic flavour that's liked better by the masses.

One more thing, RT scores don't reflect the quality of the movie accurately. After all, you classify your review as "rotten" or "fresh", that's dumb and very black and white. CW isn't a 9 out of 10 movie but that's how RT scoring system works. 

I guess what I am trying to say, it's ok if you don't like Civil War, it's not the masterpiece RT score makes you believe it is. You are not getting old

That might be it... As a whole, I ignore a movie's bad moments in favor of the good ones, and the winner for me is the one whose good moments are the best... 

I think a lot movies are full of stupid stuff. If I let stupid moments be the decider then I'll end up with a very short list of enjoyable movies. I still watch Game of Thrones despite believing it has lots of silly moments. But damn, when it's great, it's really great.

I didn't like BvS btw, it had a lot of issues, but if I was forced to rewatch one of the two, it's definitely BvS.



Batman V Superman is the better movie IMO.

Civil War 6/10
BvS 8/10



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Again, totally expected. What WASN'T expected was BvS grossing less than $900 million. At this rate it'll probably finish somewhere around $875 million. If I were WB I'd consider releasing the extended cut in theaters to try and draw some people in who were at first not sure about seeing it.
Let's all be honest here, CW had far more AND better marketing. I saw a handful of commercials for BvS prior to its release. For CW I saw one every time I went on the Internet and tv. And let's not forget the reviews. The reviews trashed BvS (rightfully or not, I won't argue here) and turned a LOT of people away. PLUS, while we can argue that the Trinity has been around longer and is arguably more popular worldwide (historically at least), let's be real: this was the 13th movie in the MCU. That ensemble cast has grown dedictated fan followings. People went JUST to see the new Spidey, for example.
That's why I think WB is trying too hard to be different by launching the JL so soon. There hasn't been any time to develop these characters. No one is attached to any of them, exception Batman because... Batman.



Wow I didn't realize BVS didn't surpass 1bil I thought that was a given.



And Civil War is still going. It should end up with 350m+ above BvsS



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SuaveSocialist said:
Lawlight said:

And what point is that?

The truth is that critics (the number of which is proportional to its time of release) recommend Spy Kids more than they would recommend Civil War. That's if you believe in the RT system. I don't since I don't think critics are just opinions among millions of others and are more prone to bias than regular users (non-fanboys).

False.  To date, Spy Kids only has 126 reviews averaging at 7.2; Civil War has 297 reviews averaging at 7.6.  At the time when Civil War had 126 reviews, it had a 94 rating from critics vs the 93 Spy Kids presently has.  Furthermore, Spy Kids only pulls a 46% approval from the Audience averaging a 2.6, whereas Civil War has a 91 averaging 4.4.

I know that you REALLY, really want to craft a Strawman Argument here, but a cursory glance at the review scores objectively disproves your claim that Spy Kids is better received on RT than Civil War.  It is a very poor attempt at a Strawman.

Now, do try to stay on topic.  This is Civil War surpassing BvS (you know, those two superhero Versus Movies released by rival companies targeting the same audience and within 2 months of one another?) as the topic; not Civil War surpassing Spy Kids.  

No need to cook up any argument since my "at the time of release" was about the total number of reviews which was lower back then than now. In any case, Spy Kids has a higher approval rating than Civil War, which must be confounding if you like RT.

BvS is only the 2nd movie in the DCCU. It'll get there - just like it took forever for the MCU to get to $800M+ movies.

But Disney wil be disappointed in CW's performance.



Solid-Stark said:
And Civil War is still going. It should end up with 350m+ above BvsS

I think so. I think it will finish at about 1.35 which would give it close to 500m above BvS.