JWeinCom said:
Zanten said:
Your dislike seems to hinge largely from the fact that it isn't specifically a lighthearted popcorn flick, I'm surmising? o.o Considering the title of it was literally 'Civil War,' I've got to point out there really is no particularly positive way this ever could have gone. If your argument is they should have just not bothered doing Civil War in any form, then fair enough, but otherwise I can only really say I'm surprised nobody died.
And the thing is, I actually feel the movie handled it MUCH better than the comic storyline it was based on ever did. Both Tony and Steve actually behave just as I'd have expected them to, given their experiences and actions in all their lead-up films, (by which I mean all the Iron Man movies, both prior Captain America movies, and both Avengers movies,) and I absolutely saw how those experiences would make them behave that way. Both Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron are obviously the biggest examples, but all the prior movies have hints of it here and there. Now, was it 'right' in a moral sense for Tony to confine Scarlet Witch to the base, or recruit a literal teenager for a superpowered fistfight, or for Steve to run off with Bucky rather than returning his unconscious ass to the cell to work things out? Probably not, but they honestly make sense for the characters. =P Not only do I see why they did what they ultimately did, I think it was the inevitable course they'd take, i.e. I honestly couldn't see them acting any differently, not without having changed their characters in all their previous movies.
The thing is, Marvel comics was always ABOUT 'real life,' it was actually something that set it apart from DC. Whereas characters like Superman or Batman were meant to be more symbolic paragons than real people- though obviously they've been fleshed out by various writers over the years- Marvel quite often explored extremely flawed characters. Peter Parker was a nerdy, often financially unsteady teenager, Tony Stark was an alcoholic, Bruce Banner and the Hulk have probably collectively had every mental issue imaginable. The X-Men were symbols of racial intolerance and bigotry, exploring those themes on a regular basis. Even Thor spent a long ass time banished to Earth in a human body due to his arrogance. (I don't just mean the first movie, I mean this was an actual thing in the comics.) More recent examples include the Blue Marvel, a very on-the-nose look at racism back in the day.
Now, obviously there were more fantastical elements, and characters as well, but ultimately a lot of Marvel's stories were far more grounded by, as you said, real life. =P
Ironically DC was typically more about what you described; not creating fleshed-out, flawed human beings, but rather morally flawless paragons. Superman in particular was always supposed to be the very best of them all, and it's one of the reasons Man of Steel and ESPECIALLY BvS have been panned; because this Superman doesn't always seem like a very GOOD person, let alone a great one. xP
Anywho, I could go in more detail, buuuut I'm not sure how much has already been covered in the discussion held. o.o If you're interested in hearing more I could have something ready by tomorrow night, probably. =D |
Kind of off topic, but this gives me an excuse to rant. This was indeed 1000000 times better than the comic book. Fist off, it was a good decision to have Iron Man actual involved one of the inciting event. I don't buy Tony being willing to fight to this degree because a random dead kid's mom was sad about it and yelled at him. When he was actually the cause of the kid dying it makes much more sense. Likewise, having Bucky's life on the line made Captain America seem like more than just a stubborn ass.
Iron Man was like a straight up supervillain in the comics. Locking up heroes and villains without due process, forcing supervillains to fight for him, cloning his dead friends to serve as soldiers, and so on. Millar just slaps you on the face with the fact that Cap, despite being an asshole, is right.
And that's not to even mention Spider-man unmasking. Spider-man keeps his identity a secret because people might try to kill his family otherwise. And after he unmasks... someone tries to kill his family. I can almost buy Spider-man supporting registration (although it's something he's basically been against all of his life). But unmasking? Not because the law requires it but AS A FUCKING PUBLICITY STUNT? Ridiculous.
It's disturbing that when many people think of great comic book stories they think of Civil War. THAT is an example of characters acting in ludicrous ways simply to get from set piece to set piece.
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