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Do you like the idea of the Neo

Yes 120 32.00%
 
No 124 33.07%
 
As long as they keep to t... 111 29.60%
 
I told you console peasants they were weak! 7 1.87%
 
No Opinion 13 3.47%
 
Total:375
DraconianAC on 21 April 2016

I was on board in buying the PSVR when a game of interest would tickle my fancy. I was on board on buying a new camera to feed the VR experience. I was on board on supporting Sony in the VR department in general, but I'm going to get of the bus from this company's Playstation division if their new skew is a machine faster than the one I own for gaming.

Mark Cerny went on stage and said that the PS4 was designed to have a 10 year life span, I took it to be the machine they would optimize their games for, for at least 7 years; that it would be easy to code for and hard to master, but in the end those developers that invested the time, in coding, would see great performance out of the hardware. I have the money to buy a new console, but I will not. I'm not made of money, nor will I support hardware revisions mid generation. You can bet I will buy used and cheap 2-3 years after release date on any Sony product and the gaming library if this turns out to be true.

Hell, I would rather buy the New Nintendo NX, then a revised PS4.



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Nem on 21 April 2016

I don't like the idea of having to buy a new system every 2-3 years to be able to play the games designed for it in the way they were meant to be played.

So... it depends on how they go about it. But chances are previous adopters will get short changed. This means that early/mid range adopters just end up having to pay double to get the proper PS4 experience.

So... yeah... i will take into account what happens now when making the purchase decision for my next generation system. I don't know why Sony is wanting to give rivals ammo, but alas... whoever is in the lead tends to get arrogant and greedy fast.



ArchangelMadzz on 21 April 2016
kowenicki said:
theprof00 said:

It will launch along with psvr. It is the reason for ps4k's existence, after all./

Is this how they get around the PS4k games must be PS4 too?

Release games badged as PSVR games with some stating PS4k required.

This way they arent releasing a PS4k game that wont run on PS4, they are releasing a PSVR game that wont run on PS4?  I think they realised that the PS4 simply couldnt deal with high end PSVR games and had to bring forward an upgarde.    That turn of events might not play too well with all those who pre-ordered PSVR's though.

Likely imo.

I don't think they will outright do that. It's just the ps4 version of an intense vr game will be severely cut down in quality compared to the ps4k version 



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theprof00 on 21 April 2016
kowenicki said:
theprof00 said:

It will launch along with psvr. It is the reason for ps4k's existence, after all./

Is this how they get around the PS4k games must be PS4 too?

Release games badged as PSVR games with some stating PS4k required.

This way they arent releasing a PS4k game that wont run on PS4, they are releasing a PSVR game that wont run on PS4?  I think they realised that the PS4 simply couldnt deal with high end PSVR games and had to bring forward an upgarde.    That turn of events might not play too well with all those who pre-ordered PSVR's though.

Likely imo.

I think it will be the difference between a much lower res or framerate.

My guess would be that they want something that can deliver what the ps4 can, but with double the rendered images, necessary for the 4k psvr.

So, it makes prefect sense that a ps4k will run ps4 games and vice versa, because it's the same game. However, when it comes to psvr, yeah...the ps4k will be a huge difference.



Airaku on 21 April 2016

potato_hamster said:
                                         

I'm a console video game developer. I've made PS4 games. I have used the PS4's development tools. Please tell why you think it will work this way when I have actually developed multi-platform PS4 and Xbox One games and likely have a far better idea of how this will actually work in practice. I assure you that there will be more work doing what most people call "porting" than simply changing the settings of the compiler and calling it a day. Modifications will have to be made to ensure both games run optimally on both versions of the console. Both versions will have to be tested equally and seperately, effectively doubling QA work. It's not a matter of just changing some configurations - if it was porting games from one platform to any other platform with similar specs would be a joke. I do not care how it works on PC, console video game development is fundamentally different, and it isn't changing overnight just because Sony introduced a higher spec console.

   

 

 



Thank you! People seem to think it's magic lmao! Even direct ports require extra work to compile.




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mutantsushi on 21 April 2016
Machiavellian said:

Actually I cannot see developers spending more time optimizing for the 4K whoose install base probably will never get close to the original PS4.  Developers need to make sure the device with the most buyers work the best before giving time to a new system.  If anything, it will be people who purchase the new 4K that will be the ones getting limited support for at least 2 years and thus many only see marginal improvements in games.

It's almost like that just makes sense or something...

Only req is that PS4.5 be at 1080p, which some existing games already are at, and ones that aren't are almost there, so easy upgrade.
Anything beyond that is up to developer desiring to take advantage of PS4.5 HW.
Open question is will Sony be stopping PS4 production, or continuing it in parallel with PS4.5?
Either way, PS4.0 has large install base that will buy many more games than PS4.5 base will buy for years to come.
Why wouldn't devs want to maximize their game appeal to the larger game base?

Anyhow, PS4 install base is currently 2x XBone, current sales are currently 3x XBone, so what if it takes 2x optimization budget? (worst hysterical case)
It would still be providing better return on investment than developing an XBone port.



Shiken on 21 April 2016

I do not, and will never, support Neo if true.



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Intrinsic on 21 April 2016
spemanig said:
I'm 50-50 on thinking there will be a NEO2 before Sony scraps the PS4 completely.

I am 100% in on the idea that Sony is gonna rebrand the Playstation 4 to just PlayStation. and evey 3rd year we will see an updated PlayStation and whatever model it replaces drops in price. 

By 2022 we would  probably be on our 4th iteration. Or the 4th generation of the PS4 so to speak. But the really cool thing is, every game made then will still work on PS4s in circulation today. 



archer9234 on 21 April 2016

Whatever happens. I will still be buying consoles every 5-6 years. I don't change my phone when a new one comes out. Only when a feature that I care, is actually updated. Which is on board space, or longer battery. So since those never do. I still have my "outdated" phone. I wonder how long till the console runs out of stuff to upgrade. Since they now, in effect, sped up diminishing returns.



Plerpy_ on 21 April 2016

I don't see how anyone could be against the NEO. It literally doesn't effect anyone who already owns a PS4. Literally. Literally. Literally. It doesn't.

I wonder if people would have an easier time accepting it if they said "As usual here's a PS4 slim but it runs games a bit better than the fat PS4."