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Forums - Gaming - Verified NeoGAF member has posted a bunch of NX leaks. Now updated with gimmicks, Luigi's Mansion and other stuff

RolStoppable said:
archbrix said:

We don't yet know how much the SCDs would run.  I seriously doubt they'd be five hundred and ninety nine US dollars.

But the beauty of it is that not every NX user would necessarily have to own an SCD to be able to take advantage of what they do.

An SCD would be a separate piece of hardware, basically an add-on for your console. Even at $100 it wouldn't be worth it for most people. I would even say that most people wouldn't be interested in using the SCDs of other people.

What practical use is expected from an SCD anyway? Marginally better graphics? Please...

Uh, how about being able to play your modern games anywhere at anytime, without having to buy an expensive/powerful system?

Again, you should've watched the video...



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It isn't really a lot of effort, Nintendo could use the a similar chip as what's in the base console, just stripping certain things out.

It's basically a way for Nintendo to get free servers in a way, but it also rewards the consumers that choose to buy one.

I don't really see the big deal.

A closed off/locked off console is not a smart design anymore if it ever was, all that's going to happen in that scenario is Sony/MS will eventually release the PS5/XB2 and outpace Nintendo as well, at least in that scenario Nintendo has some way to allow existing NX owners to upgrade their hardware as well.

Who knows. Maybe if you live close enough to people with an SCD around you (specifically Japan) maybe you could just purchase the NX "dummy" controller and play full blown games borrowing from neighboring SCDs. Stuff like that could let people who spend as little as maybe $99 into the NX ecosystem.



RolStoppable said:
archbrix said:

Uh, how about being able to play your modern games anywhere at anytime, without having to buy an expensive/powerful system?

Again, you should've watched the video...

Isn't that just the opposite of what zorg said? Buy an NX handheld to accomplish that. Will be cheaper than an SCD.

How is it the opposite of what Zorg said?  His point is valid, so is mine.

The idea is that if you just want the NX handheld you'd still be able to benefit from others who have SCDs.  Therefore, you'd be able to play games anywhere and they'd look and play like they do at home.  It is highly likely that there will be enough people who will want the power of their own SCD at home, especially if it ends up almost paying for itself in the end with rewards/discounts from Nintendo.



sabvre42 said:

WiiU copies and enhances PSP remote play. PS4 drastically enhances PSP to Vita RP. NX copies PS4 RP, but does not enhance this version.

 

Good guy Nintendo being all innovative!

Might want to wait for the NX to actually release before flying off the handle.



RolStoppable said:

An SCD would be a separate piece of hardware, basically an add-on for your console. Even at $100 it wouldn't be worth it for most people. I would even say that most people wouldn't be interested in using the SCDs of other people.

What practical use is expected from an SCD anyway? Marginally better graphics? Please...

Of course most people would be interested in using the SCDs of other people. Nintendo aren't morons. That'd advertise the hell out of something like this, clearly communicating the benefits for both parties and have any hardware that uses these built explicitely to take advantage of it. I wouldn't be suprised if you got a push notification everytime you weren't connected to one, but one was in your area like with Wifi.

It would be significantly better everything and, again, it wouldn't have to be worth it for most people. It would only have to be worth it for a few people for it to massively improve any game on the NX. Even if it sold only 1m units worldwide during its entire life time, aka less than nothing, that would be a vast network of a massive amount of computational data accessible to most people that would be dedicated, almost exclusively, to making games noticably better. People spend over $200 a generation just to ask console manufacturors for permision to play games online on their consoles. Selling a device like this at a fixed price, especially when it offers incentives via rewards, would be an absolute sinch of a sell to the small amount of people needed to make this thing work.

And it would all be decentralized. Listen to the podcast. You have literally no idea what you're talking about.



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RolStoppable said:

Seems like a lot of effort for something that won't have good sales. Also makes the whole NX setup more complicated and poses the risk that consumers will start to think that an NX console/handheld is gimped without an SCD, negatively impacting NX sales. If NX competes asymmetrically with the PS4 and XB1, then the same will hold true in regards to PS5 and XB2, because neither Sony or Microsoft are going to change.

 

It's not a lot of effort and it's not meant to be a mass market product. It's meant to basically create a massive, decentralized cloud server farm while defering the cost to consumers. Because of the law of deminishing returns, there comes a point where selling too many yeilds no noticable benefit to the networks power. AKA there will come a time where the benefits to the SCD will stop benefitting Nintendo directly and only benefit the buyer and NX owners using their SCD because the computational power being generated will become too strong to need more SCDs in the wild. The only benefit from there is that the more people who own them, the better chance more NX owners have of having access to a better connection to one.

It doesn't make it complicated at all. The process is identical to one person buying a router and other people using the Wifi. There's nothing complicated about it what-so-ever.

No one will think the NX is gimped, and even if they did and didn't want to buy an SCD, they would just connect to someone who has one the same way someone with a smart phone connects to wifi in a second, which is literally the point, outlined in the patent, elaborated on in the video.

And if this thing actually becomes a product, you bet you ass Sony and Microsoft will want to copy it, because it's actually genius. It's literally cloud gaming but where everyone has direct access to it with little to no latancy.

If the NX console sold just 60m units lifetime, and the SCD sold to only 3% of them, they would have significantly more cloud servers, which is what an SCD essentially is, than amazon, the current largest cloud network on the planet by a mile. And it would be better because, unlike Amazon and literally every other cloud nework, the whole thing would be decentralized. That's enough to literally become the most dominant cloud service company on the planet. They could literally stop making games, stop doing mobile, stop making consoles, stop making anything else, and be an extremely lucrative cloud computing company of this if they did it. And they patented the idea.



Soundwave said:
It isn't really a lot of effort, Nintendo could use the a similar chip as what's in the base console, just stripping certain things out.

It's basically a way for Nintendo to get free servers in a way, but it also rewards the consumers that choose to buy one.

I don't really see the big deal.

A closed off/locked off console is not a smart design anymore if it ever was, all that's going to happen in that scenario is Sony/MS will eventually release the PS5/XB2 and outpace Nintendo as well, at least in that scenario Nintendo has some way to allow existing NX owners to upgrade their hardware as well.

Who knows. Maybe if you live close enough to people with an SCD around you (specifically Japan) maybe you could just purchase the NX "dummy" controller and play full blown games borrowing from neighboring SCDs. Stuff like that could let people who spend as little as maybe $99 into the NX ecosystem.

I'm not saying this will happen, because I don't think it will, but the patent pretty explicitely accounts for such a situation.



twintail said:
Seems a bunch of info is wrong.


Haha these threads

Not a bunch - two. Not wrong - contested. He thinks the claims against the validity of his polaris leak specifically are wrong.

I hate these threads too.



I'd be fine with the screen controller being out. It's just too expensive for too little actual game play gain.

Most households have a tablet or smartphone, just allow the tablet to interface with the system via an app if you must have a touch interface in a game like Mario Maker.



Soundwave said:
snyps said:
Nothing juicy :(

Yeah does seem a little dry, not sure what the "hook" of the system is supposed to be or if Nintendo finally just has given up on that approach. 

A little juicier now with the update. I could see Nintendo pulling this one.