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Forums - Gaming - Verified NeoGAF member has posted a bunch of NX leaks. Now updated with gimmicks, Luigi's Mansion and other stuff

zorg1000 said:
spemanig said:

I still have about 10 minutes to go but, um, it's a lot to take in lol I'm not going to lie.

From what's being described, this is pretty monumental. At least, it will be if Nintendo actually implements it and can figure out how to sell it. I described the NX, from what I believe it to be, as revolutionary for consoles, but if Nintendo can sell even 10 million SDCs, this is world changing shit.

But I honestly don't see how they'd market something like this, because it's really just an at-home cloud server. It's really boring stuff for the average consumer, and there's no way they can sell it with the console. It'd be too expendive. This is silly, but it would have to look cool aesthetically, it would definitely need to be supported with My Nintendo, and I dunno it would need something else. Like why would a mom want this? I mean, I want this, but this is extremely expensive and boring tech for the layman.

If the cross compatability of the NX hardware devices are reletively dependant on this thing, that might be how they do it. Like if I'm a dad with three kids, I might buy a NX and three NXDS's, and then by the SCD as a way to unify them or something. I don't know. I'm just spitballing. This is really exciting stuff. But nerd exciting.

EDIT: The reason why I bring up that dependancy is because I've always speculated that the NX would depend heavily on the cloud because things like cross save/buy/play etc, but if they have something like this, so much of that stuff can be handled in an infinitely better way here. Like I never even considered them basically creating their own massive cloud farm. Just insane stuff.

its possible that the portable variant of NX might not be able to handle some of the more power demanding games that the console has and the SCD would allow it to play those games without the need of buying the console to play them. So lets say

NX Console-$299, similar power to XB1/PS4.

NX Portable-$199, similar power to Wii U

SCD-$99, can boost Console performance closer to XB1.5/PS4K & Portable performance closer to Console.

I think though Nintendo will want their 1st party games to be able to run more or less on both the "static" home console(s) and the semi-portable/portable variations. 

Even with third party stuff, that might be Nintendo's ticket to reasonable third party sales, if the portable component(s) can adequetely run higher end third party games, then those games will likely perform better given A) full access to both Nintendo home and portable audiences B) the novelty of being able to play these games on the road gives third party Nintendo ports a tangiable reason to the consumer to choose the Nintendo version. 

So maybe 

NX Console - $299

NX Portable/Semi Portable - $250

SCD - $169.99

I would probably lean a bit more in that direction. That's not bad still though, today to buy a 3DS XL + Wii U will run you $500 ... NX Portable + SCD for instance would be $419 in this scenario ... a decent amount cheaper if like to play Nintendo games at home and on the road. 

I think also this may be why the NX home console appears to be coming out first this fall ... they may have to wait a little bit to get the more powerful type of portable that they want at the price they want, but when they have that powerful portable device it'll make the entire NX ecosystem much more flexible and give developers some real options ... ie: Square-Enix can now make Dragon Quest XI for both the home NX and mobile NX if the mobile part is about 1/4-1/5 the home console. 



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zorg1000 said:

well what if you had multiple console skus & multiple handheld skus?

NX Console-$250, between Wii U & XB1 specs

NX Portable-$200, Wii U level specs

NX Mini-$150, microconsole with Portable specs

NX Tablet-$300, bigger portable with Console Specs

NX Pro-$400, console thats between PS4 & PS4K.

that would give you a range between $150-400.

I'm not saying that this isn't possible, but I don't thing this is what he's describing.



zorg1000 said:

its possible that the portable variant of NX might not be able to handle some of the more power demanding games that the console has and the SCD would allow it to play those games without the need of buying the console to play them. So lets say

NX Console-$299, similar power to XB1/PS4.

NX Portable-$199, similar power to Wii U

SCD-$99, can boost Console performance closer to XB1.5/PS4K & Portable performance closer to Console.

What I'm wondering is, would the NXDS be able to access your own personal SCD from anywhere? Like say I was vacationing in Japan. Would I be able to access save data from there via my SCD? Would it access nearby SCDs to do that?



Im excited about the handheld tbh. The nx i'll get in a couple years maybe when its in mid cycle since I got so many systems now.



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

its possible that the portable variant of NX might not be able to handle some of the more power demanding games that the console has and the SCD would allow it to play those games without the need of buying the console to play them. So lets say

NX Console-$299, similar power to XB1/PS4.

NX Portable-$199, similar power to Wii U

SCD-$99, can boost Console performance closer to XB1.5/PS4K & Portable performance closer to Console.


I think though Nintendo will want their 1st party games to be able to run more or less on both the "static" home console(s) and the semi-portable/portable variations. 

Even with third party stuff, that might be Nintendo's ticket to reasonable third party sales, if the portable component(s) can adequetely run higher end third party games, then those games will likely perform better given A) full access to both Nintendo home and portable audiences B) the novelty of being able to play these games on the road gives third party Nintendo ports a tangiable reason to the consumer to choose the Nintendo version. 

So maybe 

NX Console - $299

NX Portable/Semi Portable - $250

SCD - $169.99

I would probably lean a bit more in that direction. That's not bad still though, today to buy a 3DS XL + Wii U will run you $500 ... NX Portable + SCD for instance would be $419 in this scenario ... a decent amount cheaper if like to play Nintendo games at home and on the road. 

I think also this may be why the NX home console appears to be coming out first this fall ... they may have to wait a little bit to get the more powerful type of portable that they want at the price they want, but when they have that powerful portable device it'll make the entire NX ecosystem much more flexible and give developers some real options ... ie: Square-Enix can now make Dragon Quest XI for both the home NX and mobile NX if the mobile part is about 1/4-1/5 the home console. 

$99 would be a really sweet spot to hit for the SCD, though. If they can get something that cheap out and launch it with the NX console, the thing would fly off shelves. They'd just need a marketing hook for it.

I need to do more research, though. Very exciting, and directly in line with what I think the NX is, eccept I definitely didn't consider Nintendo basically launching a cloud network. I don't think people understand how massive this would be if I'm understanding this correctly and if Nintendo pulls this off. Screw mobile, this alone could be a business for them entirely separate from gaming. This is world changing shit lol like I can't fathom. I have to be misunderstanding something.



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spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

its possible that the portable variant of NX might not be able to handle some of the more power demanding games that the console has and the SCD would allow it to play those games without the need of buying the console to play them. So lets say

NX Console-$299, similar power to XB1/PS4.

NX Portable-$199, similar power to Wii U

SCD-$99, can boost Console performance closer to XB1.5/PS4K & Portable performance closer to Console.

What I'm wondering is, would the NXDS be able to access your own personal SCD from anywhere? Like say I was vacationing in Japan. Would I be able to access save data from there via my SCD? Would it access nearby SCDs to do that?

from what i understand you would use other peoples SCD when away from your own, seems like they operate in a similar fashion to wifi hotspots.



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zorg1000 said:

from what i understand you would use other peoples SCD when away from your own, seems like they operate in a similar fashion to wifi hotspots.

Interesting...

I don't know. I really have to see how something like this would be implemented. I wonder if something like this could provide data. Is there anything about providing an internet connection for their gaming platforms through this in the patent?



spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

from what i understand you would use other peoples SCD when away from your own, seems like they operate in a similar fashion to wifi hotspots.

Interesting...

I don't know. I really have to see how something like this would be implemented. I wonder if something like this could provide data. Is there anything about providing an internet connection for their gaming platforms through this in the patent?

I don't think it's all that mindblowing, it's extra horsepower, an add-on, a (hopefully) much more elegant 32X type of thing, but with modern cloud computing it can share horsepower via the cloud when/if you're not utilizing it. 

This is probably sensible so that the scenario of "little brother wants to play NX, but NX power is being utilized by John Q 500 miles away" ... the supplemental device will share extra horsepower so the main machine is always available to its primary user(s). 

Likely I'm guessing the SCD was envisioned as the dock for the mobile NX model(s) as well so that it can play the same games at full fidelity on the TV, but they probably looked at it and said "hey why not allow the main console to utilize this too? Yeah lets patent that", type of thing. 



"The NX gimmick. I uh....was told not to post this part by some people. As usual, take it with a grain of salt (although I don't know why I would be warned if it was false) I'm not under any NDA though, and well, it could end up being false. But I was told a variation of this by three different sources. I don't believe they have a reason to lie to me. Here goes....

The NX is going to have a screen controller (whether it's optional or standard I don't know) and can be used anywhere to play your home console games. The controller itself will not have any processing capabilities, it'll essentially be a dummy vita. It'll likely have basic OS functions to access the NX console from anywhere, like a tiny cpu. Nintendo will use enhanced Wii U gamepad streaming tech, and allow the controller to be taken anywhere, connect to the NX console at home (likely through Wi-fi or personal hotspots and the NX console will likely have to be in stand-by mode). Basically, it's remote play built into the box and won't require a $200 add-on to experience it. This is likely what Kimishima meant in his interview with Sankei (http://www.sankei.com/west/news/1601...030012-n1.html) "different way to play with a dedicated machine" and the whole "new way to experience games" mantra that's been going around Nintendo PR."


Actually I think this probably true and I am pretty sure Nintendo will make it optional, it will have SKU with regular controller, SKU with this kind of controller, and they will offer to buy this controller completely separate.



If Nintendo is putting a screen on the controller they damn well better get the suppliers to bend over backwards and give them a good price. It's 2016 now, 1080p displays for tablets/phones are becoming outdated, Nintendo should have every right to ask for a low price on a display that's sub-1080p.

The controller should not cost $100 to mass produce even with a screen on it, that's unacceptable. Even full blown tablets with dedicated processors/GPUs/RAM/onboard storage cost $100 at *retail*, Nintendo should not accept anything above $50-$55 manufacturing cost.

I think Nintendo's grown too nice with their component price negotiating perhaps ... Yamauchi was a ruthless SOB when it came to that, he'd even cut deals and then back out of them insisting on better terms afterwards, lol. 

I like the idea of swappable controller face plates that are transparent with the LCD underneath. You could have all types of different controller schemes, maybe even weird ones like a trackball with 2 buttons or something. Face plates could even come bundled with certain games depending on what the game is.