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What does AMD mean?

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cpg716 said:
KaosMike said:
It's most likely the PS4's VR unit, which has a processing module made by AMD. Anything 4K would be embedded in their R&D budget, which is paid for mostly by Sony/MS/Nintendo until it goes into production.

Um. No. The box has no GPU in it..  As stated : The PS4 handles all rendering and processing on its own, and the processing unit cannot be accessed by developers.  It does these things:

  • powers 3D audio
  • enables the social screen (VR gameplay displayed on TV for observers and other players)
  • enables a totally separate stream of audio and video to the TV
  • displays the PS4 interface and 2D content in Cinematic Mode
Thats it..  

Read my comment again.  Did I say 'GPU' anywhere?  The module does all the things you have mentioned, possibly offloading audio processing from the PS4 itself, and thereby freeing up some cpu [not gpu] power for VR.  The others are for processing video outputs to different screens and modes it seems like.  

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/enhanced-media/trueaudio

  • A dedicated digital signal processor (DSP) is built in to the AMD GPU core. That’s a hefty dose of processing power committed just to generating immersive soundscapes. That doesn’t just enable new and exciting audio features in games; it also saves CPU cycles that can be used for other tasks.

Almost certainly using the above dedicated audio chip.  Or...it could be a small gpu which has this dsp chip integrated into it, as most, if not all AMD gpus have this capability these days.  It is not yet clear, but Im sure that information will be revealed at some point as to what exactly the chip is.

Regardless, this box is the definition of a semi-custom design.

Regards.



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AsGryffynn said:
fatslob-:O said:

Evaluating the value of posts contributes nothing to the thread ... 

Intel not releasing a GPu just shows that they weren't confident that it would be competitive with Nvidia or AMD ... 

Actions speak louder than words ... 

When they own the cash cow known as x86? Of course it will look like bread crumbs, especially since they don't have a good reputation on the dedicated GPU market, but that doesn't means they cannot because it worked and it was powerful. If they wanted, they could land a contract with MS for the next Xbox and create an enhanced version of Larrabee and nobody would care because console gamers don't look at the manufacturer and PC gamers go with what they know... 

And I contributed. Next time think twice before you post something. If you can't say anything nice, keep it out... 

There's also the Xbox One GPU and the new HD Graphics that is close when it comes to performance, so yeah, since the PS4's GPU is the most powerful AMD has created, nothing tells me Intel can't play that game as well... 

I just know I dislike AMD and I'd rather not deal with them... 

Larrabee doesn't help your argument. It was expensive and still could not match Nvidia and AMDs(ATI at the time) offerings. Intel scrapped the project. Ironically the APU's that AMD makes are essentially what Intel promised Larrabee to be. Also the bolded statement is completely false. The PS4's GPU wasn't even the most powerful AMD has created at the time of its release.  It's more or less an AMD Radeon 7850 from specifications standpoint and the 7850 launched in March of 2012. That's approximately 18months before th PS4 released. The 7870 which also launched in March of 2012 pushes 2.56 TFLOPS. The PS4 GPU pushes 1.84 TFLOPS. Bear in the 7870 is over 4 years old at this point.



Darc Requiem said:
AsGryffynn said:

When they own the cash cow known as x86? Of course it will look like bread crumbs, especially since they don't have a good reputation on the dedicated GPU market, but that doesn't means they cannot because it worked and it was powerful. If they wanted, they could land a contract with MS for the next Xbox and create an enhanced version of Larrabee and nobody would care because console gamers don't look at the manufacturer and PC gamers go with what they know... 

And I contributed. Next time think twice before you post something. If you can't say anything nice, keep it out... 

There's also the Xbox One GPU and the new HD Graphics that is close when it comes to performance, so yeah, since the PS4's GPU is the most powerful AMD has created, nothing tells me Intel can't play that game as well... 

I just know I dislike AMD and I'd rather not deal with them... 

Larrabee doesn't help your argument. It was expensive and still could not match Nvidia and AMDs(ATI at the time) offerings. Intel scrapped the project. Ironically the APU's that AMD makes are essentially what Intel promised Larrabee to be. Also the bolded statement is completely false. The PS4's GPU wasn't even the most powerful AMD has created at the time of its release.  It's more or less an AMD Radeon 7850 from specifications standpoint and the 7850 launched in March of 2012. That's approximately 18months before th PS4 released. The 7870 which also launched in March of 2012 pushes 2.56 TFLOPS. The PS4 GPU pushes 1.84 TFLOPS. Bear in the 7870 is over 4 years old at this point.

Given that Larrabee was more than just a GPU, that might be the reason... And it was AMD that said that, not me... 

If Skylake is any indication, they can make powerful and efficient GPUs... They will still be more expensive than AMD though, but if MS buys AMD, they will be the only option left... 



Oh, what a thread this turned out to be.



fatslob-:O said:
AsGryffynn said:

When they own the cash cow known as x86? Of course it will look like bread crumbs, especially since they don't have a good reputation on the dedicated GPU market, but that doesn't means they cannot because it worked and it was powerful. If they wanted, they could land a contract with MS for the next Xbox and create an enhanced version of Larrabee and nobody would care because console gamers don't look at the manufacturer and PC gamers go with what they know... 

And I contributed. Next time think twice before you post something. If you can't say anything nice, keep it out... 

There's also the Xbox One GPU and the new HD Graphics that is close when it comes to performance, so yeah, since the PS4's GPU is the most powerful AMD has created, nothing tells me Intel can't play that game as well... 

I just know I dislike AMD and I'd rather not deal with them... 

If they wanted is not good enough and what people want are results, not potential ... 

@Bold Hilarious, a pot calling the kettle black ... 

The Iris Pro Graphics P580 matching the Xbox One with a vastly superior transistor technology after two years later is progress alright ... /sarcasm 

I also dislike AMD, at least their CPUs and the direction their going but it's not like we should care about whatever manufacturer Microsoft is using like you said ...

We literally can't know how they will do if we don't ask them and nobody's ever asked! 

Oh, but you started it!  

By the way, the IPG is not an standalone unit and we're dealing with something with a processor that is far more powerful that anything the Xbox One has. I shall remind you we're dealing with the forerunners of the technology you're using. They don't do graphics, but they can... 

And I do care, but not that much. I am just saying I'd welcome less AMD in the console market... 



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AsGryffynn said:

We literally can't know how they will do if we don't ask them and nobody's ever asked! 

Oh, but you started it!  

By the way, the IPG is not an standalone unit and we're dealing with something with a processor that is far more powerful that anything the Xbox One has. I shall remind you we're dealing with the forerunners of the technology you're using. They don't do graphics, but they can... 

And I do care, but not that much. I am just saying I'd welcome less AMD in the console market... 

We don't need anybody asking Intel. They shat on themselves alone with just Larrabee by not releasing it ... 

@Bold "You literally contributed nothing to this conversation besides tiring your fingers... " Awful accusations or posts like these will get you nowhere so why not quit the backseat thread crapping ? 

Far more powerful ? Lel this is too funny. Intel are the forefront alright, at least in terms of x86 CPU performance and transistor technology. BTW your wrong about them not doing graphics, they've been doing it for YEARS now ever since 1998 ...



Swordmasterman said:

There is any reason for Why every single console is made with AMD, and not with Nvidia ?.

Afaik the margins are too small for them. They're already busy enough trying to supply their domination of the PC market that they don't need to outbid AMD on console hardware.



fatslob-:O said:
JRPGfan said:
Hasnt nvidia been in consoles before? and bascially every time they are, they end up screwing over those they work with?

Basically Nvidia burn their bridges behinde them when they do business.

Why isnt nvidia used in consoles? because no one wants to work with them.

That's about it ... 

They design good chips but they are a very shitty part supplier ...

Exhibit A: The original Xbox. It's common knowledge the Xbox production was cut by MS after only 4 years in part to clear the slate for the XB360, but also due in part to a dispute with Nvidia over the OEM GPU contract I can only assume had to do with per part cost. 

Exhibit B: RSX, PS3. Underpowered, relative to the ATI "Xenos" in the XB360, most likely the key contributor to YLoD PS3 failures as the GPU was the focus of most reflow repairs. Costly. 

While I'm not privy to any of the info stemming from internal discussions pertinant to OEM GPU contract bids for either MS or SCE, all I can assume from the results is ATI/AMD offered them both the better bid. 

Whether it was a case of petty retaliation or a legitimate take on their business model moving forward, Nvidia went on record as saying there is no future in the console business or something to that effect. They were trying to sell consumers on a gaming PC centric future, joined by their SoC parts and SoC based Shield product line. 

In short, they don't want to be OEM parts suppliers; they want to have their own ecosystem. 



As for the AMD statement, it's not client specific. It could refer to an OEM contract with Nintendo for the NX, an OEM contract with SCE for the PS4k or even both.

The only one I would be more apt to rule out would be the XBOne.5.



greenmedic88 said:

Exhibit A: The original Xbox. It's common knowledge the Xbox production was cut by MS after only 4 years in part to clear the slate for the XB360, but also due in part to a dispute with Nvidia over the OEM GPU contract I can only assume had to do with per part cost. 

Exhibit B: RSX, PS3. Underpowered, relative to the ATI "Xenos" in the XB360, most likely the key contributor to YLoD PS3 failures as the GPU was the focus of most reflow repairs. Costly. 

While I'm not privy to any of the info stemming from internal discussions pertinant to OEM GPU contract bids for either MS or SCE, all I can assume from the results is ATI/AMD offered them both the better bid. 

Whether it was a case of petty retaliation or a legitimate take on their business model moving forward, Nvidia went on record as saying there is no future in the console business or something to that effect. They were trying to sell consumers on a gaming PC centric future, joined by their SoC parts and SoC based Shield product line. 

In short, they don't want to be OEM parts suppliers; they want to have their own ecosystem. 

Funny extension to exhibit A. Nvidia demanded royalties from the Xbox 360 because Microsoft wanted backwards compatibility. I imagine that Microsoft got pretty mad after that but in the next generation Microsoft released DX12 to spite Nvidia because Microsoft somewhat resented Nvidia in the past and they weren't going to make the same mistake again going all buddy-buddy with them ... 

Not even Apple wants to deal with Nvidia! Practically every major ISVs don't like Nvidia very much. It just goes to show you how shitty of part supplier Nvidia really is ... 

Nvidia would want to be a part supplier at least to show their IP dominance and monopoly but they can't since not many ISVs like their attitude ... 

Their mobile products aren't exactly doing so hot since they demanded that Qualcomm pay them 352 million dollars cause of the losses by competing against them LOL ... (Consoles were low margin yet they happily entered the mobile space. Pathetically hypocritical if you ask me. )