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Aura7541 on 09 April 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
Aura7541 said:

Even if the majority of immigrants don't commit crimes, because groups are never equally distributed in any country, the per capita (usually per 100,000 people) statistic is the one we should look at. For instance, if migrants make up only 1% of a country's population, but represent 25% of rapists, then they have a greater amount of rapists per capita even though 25% is not the majority.

Your math don't add up here in America, especially not in NYC where it is immigrant majority. I'm pretty sure the crime rate in Germany is more or less the same too.

Like I said before, it takes less than 1% to cause people to lose their minds.. Forget about ebola, immigrants is the new rage right.

Of course my math doesn't add up because it was merely an example to explain what per capita is

And some groups of people are more prone to committing crimes than others. East Asian immigrants, for example, don't have this problem since their culture of origin runs on meritocracy and advocates for hard work. So I wouldn't say immigrants are the new rage, moreso bigotry of low expectations.

Slimebeast said:

As if you would change your opinion on the matter if I could prove that my claim is correct, namely that in countries like Sweden, Norway, Finland and Germany, immigrants from outside of Europe commit 5-10 times more violent crime than natives.

To clarify, I mean violent crime as in robbery, assault, rape and murder.

Considering he cited a source that looked a crime statistics of immigrants from the US to justify his opinion about migrants that live in Europe, it's pretty damn obvious he's not going to change his mind.



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Slimebeast on 09 April 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
Aura7541 said:

Even if the majority of immigrants don't commit crimes, because groups are never equally distributed in any country, the per capita (usually per 100,000 people) statistic is the one we should look at. For instance, if migrants make up only 1% of a country's population, but represent 25% of rapists, then they have a greater amount of rapists per capita even though 25% is not the majority.

 

Your math don't add up here in America, especially not in NYC where it is immigrant majority. I'm pretty sure the crime rate in Germany is more or less the same too.

Like I said before, it takes less than 1% to cause people to lose their minds.. Forget about ebola, immigrants is the new rage right.

USA is not comparable to Europe because crime commited by black people and hispanics raises the crime activity among natives so much that immigrants don't reach that level. And you have a different justice system too and punish criminals much harder than in Europe. Foreigners are scared of the American police and justice system, and respect the USA on a completely different level than immigrants do in Europe.



Slimebeast on 09 April 2016
Aura7541 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Your math don't add up here in America, especially not in NYC where it is immigrant majority. I'm pretty sure the crime rate in Germany is more or less the same too.

Like I said before, it takes less than 1% to cause people to lose their minds.. Forget about ebola, immigrants is the new rage right.

Of course my math doesn't add up because it was merely an example to explain what per capita is

And some groups of people are more prone to committing crimes than others. East Asian immigrants, for example, don't have this problem since their culture of origin runs on meritocracy and advocates for hard work. So I wouldn't say immigrants are the new rage, moreso bigotry of low expectations.

Slimebeast said:

As if you would change your opinion on the matter if I could prove that my claim is correct, namely that in countries like Sweden, Norway, Finland and Germany, immigrants from outside of Europe commit 5-10 times more violent crime than natives.

To clarify, I mean violent crime as in robbery, assault, rape and murder.

Considering he cited a source that looked a crime statistics of immigrants from the US to justify his opinion about migrants that live in Europe, it's pretty damn obvious he's not going to change his mind.

Yep. USA is so different compared to Europe. Immigration to the USA as it currently looks might even be beneficial to the nation, I'm not sure. At least it's an issue not as easily decided as it is for Europe.



deskpro2k3 on 09 April 2016
Slimebeast said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Your math don't add up here in America, especially not in NYC where it is immigrant majority. I'm pretty sure the crime rate in Germany is more or less the same too.

Like I said before, it takes less than 1% to cause people to lose their minds.. Forget about ebola, immigrants is the new rage right.

USA is not comparable to Europe because crime commited by black people and hispanics raises the crime activity among natives so much that immigrants don't reach that level. And you have a different justice system too and punish criminals much harder than in Europe. Foreigners are scared of the American police and justice system, and respect the USA on a completely different level than immigrants do in Europe.

 

Well, more than 11 million immigrants come to the usa every year, and the number one reason criminals gets locked up is for the possession of marijuana/drugs. (Then there is that Subway restaurant guy Jared, that got arrested for being a pedofile)

Anyways I'm still not convinced, because more people die from car accidents than they do from immigrants or terrorist combine.



bobfulci on 10 April 2016
Fei-Hung said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Simply saying where these alleged criminals are from is racist? The bar has gotten really low, sounds like people hate facts.

 

I was going to agree with you until someone pointed out that when it's usually a white person committing the same crime they don't say British, or American,  or German, they usually just say someone has been caught for committing such and such an act. 

Sorry But I just can't let this comment go without a reply. When an American commits a crime overseas, it is ALWAYS reported and MENTIONED that they are American. It goes the same for any FOREIGN person visiting another country. I don't know where you got this information but it is this kind of unchecked, irresponsible commenting that creates false information. As an example check out the Kercher murder in Italy. The alleged perpetrator is usually referred to as "The American."



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deskpro2k3 on 10 April 2016
bobfulci said:
Fei-Hung said:

 

I was going to agree with you until someone pointed out that when it's usually a white person committing the same crime they don't say British, or American,  or German, they usually just say someone has been caught for committing such and such an act. 

Sorry But I just can't let this comment go without a reply. When an American commits a crime overseas, it is ALWAYS reported and MENTIONED that they are American. It goes the same for any FOREIGN person visiting another country. I don't know where you got this information but it is this kind of unchecked, irresponsible commenting that creates false information. As an example check out the Kercher murder in Italy. The alleged perpetrator is usually referred to as "The American."

 

the ones I've seen always say "the man" or just by his name.



outlawauron on 10 April 2016
Fei-Hung said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Simply saying where these alleged criminals are from is racist? The bar has gotten really low, sounds like people hate facts.

I was going to agree with you until someone pointed out that when it's usually a white person committing the same crime they don't say British, or American,  or German, they usually just say someone has been caught for committing such and such an act. 

This isn't the case in American media.



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Peh on 10 April 2016

Still no proof? Well, what else should I expect of liars, idiots and ignorant people who commit bigotry.
And who do you think I am? You? If you provide me the proof of your claims, then surely, I will accept them and take everything back I said.
Otherwise.. bullshit :)



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sterner on 10 April 2016

Well good luck. British troops in Afghanistan wrote letter to command requesting explanations how they are supposed to consider being allied to people who literally engage in pedophile behavior on daily basis and don't even see anything wrong about it. If you live in Germany, start preparing documents for emmigration, won't be too much of a trouble finding new home for you if you have that engineering degree.



Slimebeast on 10 April 2016
Peh said:
Still no proof? Well, what else should I expect of liars, idiots and ignorant people who commit bigotry.
And who do you think I am? You? If you provide me the proof of your claims, then surely, I will accept them and take everything back I said.
Otherwise.. bullshit :)

Nice stealth way of making insults.

Official swedish statistics of rape from 1985-1989.

The blue color are native swedes, the red are immigrants and their children and the orange are foreigners who don't live in the country.

So even back in the 80's when immigrants only were around 15% of the population of Sweden, they still commited a majority of rapes. That gives an overrepresentation of 8.5. Immigrants are 8.5 times likely to rape than native Swedes.

And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times.