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NinjaBlade360 said:

heres a tweet saying shes pissed off about a 54 year old man being arredted for having Child Pornography   heres one http://archive.is/IEVz4 were she says she defends none cenership of it and another http://archive.is/Kt0PJ

Basically this. I believe in freedom of speech, but obviously it has consequences. The traffic of pedophilic content on the net must be stopped at all costs, and even if she has a different opinion about it, it's widely considered that this should be punished. This could have done a massive amount of damage to the company if they don't step up. And she must have known it.



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SpokenTruth said:
NinjaBlade360 said:

heres a tweet saying shes pissed off about a 54 year old man being arredted for having Child Pornography   heres one http://archive.is/IEVz4 were she says she defends none cenership of it and another http://archive.is/Kt0PJ

Then with that, she opened herself to the fire.   Her thesis doesn't protect her against actual child porn. 

elektranine said:
if you are hired for a PR job you need to be good at PR.

But she's isn't in PR.  She was in marketing.  She worked with the retailers on marketing materials and shelf space.

She was very outspoken and brought negative attention to the co- people get fired for ALOT less all the time-

The same people who complain about too much digital cleavage in a video game defends a person who defends actual child porn/ pedo s etc  ironic and hipocritical at best



AgentZorn said:
So has anyone taken the time to read through the entire college essay? I just read through it and no where does she actually support child pornography.

As I understand it, it was basically about letting Japan keep it's own cultural values (which, let's be honest, are fairly different from our cultural values). This, oddly enough, would go against the whole "super censorship feminazi" narrative. As I understand it, she also had absolutely nothing to do with the censorship of the Nintendo games she was blamed for.

I'm a little surprised I never heard about any of this until today. But I'm also inclined to believe Nintendo on this: she was probably fired over something unrelated to all this. Still sucks she had to suffer through all the abuse, but this is also the unfortunate price you pay for being a public face for a major company. I feel bad for the next person people target when Nintendo inevitably censors some other dumb thing like bikinis, boob scaling, or face touching and people flip out.



From everything I have seen and read, the firing was justified. I clearly don't support any of the individuals who harassed her, and I don't like the practice of trying to get someone fired, but that doesn't remove the agency from Ms. Rapp's actions.

In the end, she made decisions which resulted in her getting fired. Simple as that.



sundin13 said:
From everything I have seen and read, the firing was justified. I clearly don't support any of the individuals who harassed her, and I don't like the practice of trying to get someone fired, but that doesn't remove the agency from Ms. Rapp's actions.

In the end, she made decisions which resulted in her getting fired. Simple as that.

 

So, I'm speaking out of ignorance here, but: what actions, exactly? Did she say a bunch of dumb things on Twitter recently?



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NinjaBlade360 said:
heres a tweet saying shes pissed off about a 54 year old man being arredted for having Child Pornography   heres one http://archive.is/IEVz4 were she says she defends none cenership of it and another http://archive.is/Kt0PJ

Do you believe that going after users of drugs will solve the drug problem?

She's making the same argument regarding child porn that is made routinely regarding the drug trade - don't punish the users, punish the suppliers (specifically, the suppliers that peddle actual child porn, not just drawings). If the goal is to end the sexual abuse of children, then punishing the users, including those who satiate their urges using drawings or computer-generated images, is actually going to make things worse - it drives the practice further underground, and makes it harder to prosecute those who are doing the harm.

Hence why she refers to "depictions of sexualised minors" as being something that should have "less strict" laws applied.

The 54 year old man who was arrested for having the child porn didn't abuse any children. But by arresting him, they make it almost guaranteed that they won't find those who are responsible for the abuse. And THAT is the true problem with the situation.

(EDIT: To put her attitude another way - she's not advocating for child pornography, she's advocating for laws to be re-done to protect children from abuse, rather than to demonise those that do nothing more than look at the stuff)

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Meanwhile, Nintendo has made clear that she wasn't fired over this at all. Their statement rings true, to me, considering her comments on twitter since then. She admits to having done what Nintendo said she did. She admits to having been asked not to comment publicly on rape culture while working there because people associate her with Nintendo and they didn't want to deal with something that had nothing to do with their business. And having now lost her job, she's accusing Nintendo of all sorts of things, etc, for the fact that they didn't want her using her notoriety as a Nintendo employee to talk about other topics.

I have no problems with defending her from people who attack her reasonable comments regarding child porn laws, and I'm very happy to denounce the behaviour of those connected to "gamergate" for their bullying and hypocrisy... but I think Nintendo made the right call, here, based on her behaviour now.



nuckles87 said:
sundin13 said:
From everything I have seen and read, the firing was justified. I clearly don't support any of the individuals who harassed her, and I don't like the practice of trying to get someone fired, but that doesn't remove the agency from Ms. Rapp's actions.

In the end, she made decisions which resulted in her getting fired. Simple as that.

 

So, I'm speaking out of ignorance here, but: what actions, exactly?

As Nintendo put it, the specific reason for her firing was because she held a second job which was against company policy (not having a second job, but what the second job was). While it has not been confirmed what exactly the job was, it is speculated that she was doing risque modeling shoots under an alias. Additionally, her behaviour in the public sphere was unbecoming, unprofessional and not something you would really want being tied to your company.



You have to love how these #GamerGate morons work. They're mad that NoA censors certain content in game localizations....typically sexual content. Then they harass someone who isn't even directly responsible for that censorship, and threaten her, her family, her career, just as they have with others. Note how they don't often attack male members of the industry. If they have it hasn't gotten much attention. Most of their primary targets have been female, and that is not a coincidence.

I have no great love for extreme feminists. But a bunch of anonymous losers attacking women behind keyboards are worse. There isn't even an argument to be made about that. These "movement" has only ever proven that certain contingents of modern gamers are nothing but spoiled brats, and immature man-children, from the start. It's one thing to disagree about something. But it's something else entirely to, in some cases quite literally terrorize human beings and their lives, their livelihoods, even their loved ones......over ANYTHING. There is zero excuse to threaten or harass these women. None.

#GamerGate people are not "activists". They're idiots with absolutely nothing better to do in their lonely, rotten lives. Period.



sundin13 said:
nuckles87 said:

 

So, I'm speaking out of ignorance here, but: what actions, exactly?

As Nintendo put it, the specific reason for her firing was because she held a second job which was against company policy (not having a second job, but what the second job was). While it has not been confirmed what exactly the job was, it is speculated that she was doing risque modeling shoots under an alias. Additionally, her behaviour in the public sphere was unbecoming, unprofessional and not something you would really want being tied to your company.

  Oh yeah, I read aboutu the second job. Didn't hear it might've been something like that. I don't know what Nintendo's policies are, but if that goes against them then Nintendo definitely doesn't deserve any blame, at least for the firing. Policies are policies.



I have changed the title, which was presumptuous to begin with, and became completely inaccurate after Nintendo's statement.



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