spemanig said:
Soundwave said:
Don't think having the most third party support is a "gimmick". Forget the PS2, GameCube couldn't even beat the XBox and the XBox only had 4 years on market and GCN was $99.99 for the entire second half of its life cycle.
Nintendo has branding issues IMO. A lot of people (whether we agree or not) don't want to buy a console that's too "cartoony" or "too kid friendly" IMO.
Given a choice even kids choose something else. I think the Wii was able to overcome this by targetting casual *adults*, but I believe this audience is also now shut off from Nintendo due to sexier/cooler/more convienant smart devices.
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Having a DVD player for that cheap at that time built in was, and again, the GCN had the minidisk problem.
Nintendo definitely does have serious branding issues, but that doesn't stop the above two issues being far more crippling to the GCN's success than Nintendo's brand.
Kids don't choose anything. Parents do. The PS2 targeted those same casual adults. With its DVD player. The PS1 did too. With its CD player. Same with PSP. With its being a portable multimedia device before the iphone. You know, their gimmicks.
Everyone lost those types of casuals, not just Wii. Wii and DS took them from Playstation and Apple took them from Wii and DS (and PSP). Now no one has them so it's only gamers in a way it hasn't been since Gen 4, and Nintendo can easily win that with good hardware that has no caveats, something they literally haven't done on the console front since the Super Nintendo aka Gen 4.
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I'd disagree that parents choose console, most parents will try to convince their child to buy the cheapest option naturally because they don't want to spend anymore than they have to but they don't want to deal with a crying kid all the way home.
The problem is even the "kids" market is a broad cross. If I have two boys, one is 13 and the other is 8 and the 8 year old is fine with Nintendo, but my 13 year is screaming in my ear that he doesn't want the Nintendo and only wants Playstation (because really he wants to play Grand Theft Auto because that's the game all his friends have, but he won't tell his parents *that* part), well then as a parent Playstation is the compromise because Playstation still has "kiddie games" like LEGO Harry Potter or whatever.
Every time my parents bought a console for me, I made damn well sure they got the console I wanted. They sure as hell were not going to bring home a Sega Master System when I asked 100000 times for a Nintendo Entertainment System.
Nintendo has problems against competitors that position themselves as a "cool" brand, Nintendo's had trouble with this really since the Genesis marketing changed mid-stream and started to target teenagers instead of kids first. Since then, Nintendo's been basically on the defensive, it just got worse with Sony as Sony is a far more capable competitor than Sega ever could dream of being.