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Are you guys joking? Those screenshots of Ace Combat 6 don't look very good. The buildings in that first movie don't look much better than the ones in the N64 Rogue Squadron, albeit their are more of them. Some of the planes look good, but the one in the 2nd pic on the left looks really bad. The fire in the 3rd looks awful too. The scale of Lair, how it can move from a fluid air battle to an incredibly detailed ground level with many moving figures while constantly maintaining each without any loading, is beyond what the 360 could handle whether you guys like it or not. The 360 is a powerful system, but the Cell absolutely dwarfs it in the amount of processing power it has. Just look at the recent Folding@Home numbers of computations the PS3 was able to generate. The Cell unarguably has A LOT of power.



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akuma587 said:
Are you guys joking? Those screenshots of Ace Combat 6 don't look very good. The buildings in that first movie don't look much better than the ones in the N64 Rogue Squadron, albeit their are more of them. Some of the planes look good, but the one in the 2nd pic on the left looks really bad.

You have to be kidding...  I don't think anything on the N64 compares to those pictures.  Try saving the pictures and looking at them at their actual sizes and you'll see how good they look.



akuma587 said:
Are you guys joking? Those screenshots of Ace Combat 6 don't look very good. The buildings in that first movie don't look much better than the ones in the N64 Rogue Squadron, albeit their are more of them. Some of the planes look good, but the one in the 2nd pic on the left looks really bad. The fire in the 3rd looks awful too. The scale of Lair, how it can move from a fluid air battle to an incredibly detailed ground level with many moving figures while constantly maintaining each without any loading, is beyond what the 360 could handle whether you guys like it or not. The 360 is a powerful system, but the Cell absolutely dwarfs it in the amount of processing power it has. Just look at the recent Folding@Home numbers of computations the PS3 was able to generate. The Cell unarguably has A LOT of power.

Ace Combat 6 does look good though. Lair looks really good but it has clipping and framerate issues. The PS3 CPU IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE 360 BUT THE 360 HAS A MORE POWERFUL GPU AND TWICW THE MEMORY.



If the game looks as well in motion, then OMG >_



gebx said:
dannyphantom105 said:
Lair did not steal the show at gamer's day, and that is simply because only a short 1 minute trailer was shown at it. Uncharted was shown with trailers and playable pieces. Heavenly sword and ratchet and clank were also seen in game. That is why those titles were better at the show than lair.

Is that normal for a game that should be coming out in July??

Larry - Yes my Japan prediction is a little out of reach, I made it a couple months back... and if it turns out wrong than I'll call the prediction a bust... and it will stay in my sig as a busted prediction.


It looks like both of your predictions will be wrong.  Not selling out in Europe wasn't a bad thing, either, since they still broke some records.  Supplying enough isn't always bad.  I'll give you that the following weeks weren't as successful, though.

I'm hopeful and a little worried for Lair, but not every game has to release a demo or show you 30 minutes of gameplay before it is released.  We'll see in a few months, though... 



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larry said:

as you can see in the Lair video , the single dragon probably has more polygons than a whole environment of gears of war.

 



 

You clearly don't know anything about 3d modelling, as environments have very little polygons compared to characters. And in Gears of War where most areas are buildings, it would be obvious there are jack all polygons since it is all squares. The characters in both games will probably have the same amount of detail.



The processor means that the game can support more of something, more complex reactions, and more everything else. It does not however contribute that much to graphics that you can suddenly dismiss all of the other games for other systems. The dragon thing is nice but the controls, and the gameplay itself are what people are worried about. As for boss battles, Zelda games perfected the epic boss battle long ago. It's not really something to brag about now. The graphics look great, but to claim that this is gonna beat proven games like Gears of War before it's even released is foolish because when it comes out and if it turns out to suck, you will be forced to eat your words.



CameronHall1 said:
akuma587 said:
Are you guys joking? Those screenshots of Ace Combat 6 don't look very good. The buildings in that first movie don't look much better than the ones in the N64 Rogue Squadron, albeit their are more of them. Some of the planes look good, but the one in the 2nd pic on the left looks really bad. The fire in the 3rd looks awful too. The scale of Lair, how it can move from a fluid air battle to an incredibly detailed ground level with many moving figures while constantly maintaining each without any loading, is beyond what the 360 could handle whether you guys like it or not. The 360 is a powerful system, but the Cell absolutely dwarfs it in the amount of processing power it has. Just look at the recent Folding@Home numbers of computations the PS3 was able to generate. The Cell unarguably has A LOT of power.

Ace Combat 6 does look good though. Lair looks really good but it has clipping and framerate issues. The PS3 CPU IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE 360 BUT THE 360 HAS A MORE POWERFUL GPU AND TWICW THE MEMORY.


Geez...if the GPU is more powerful, it's not by much. They have the same memory, 512MB. The difference is that the 360 shares it between the GPU and the main memory and the PS3 splits it 256 on both the main memory and GPU. The PS3's memory bandwidth is also higher.

Those screens look good (well, the first one at least) for Ace Combat 6 (which could end up on the PS3 anyway, considering every other AC game was on PS1/2), but Lair looks really good with its mesh. As far as Lair blowing away all 360 games, well that's simply not true. Maybe the next Factor 5 game will do that, we'll see.

The big difference is Lair and Warhawk are using Sixaxis to make the controls better and more fun while saving buttons and analog for other functions. Also, I think dragons are cooler than Jet Fighters, but that's personal taste, heh.



I plan to own a ps3, when it hits 300-400$, (i'd buy a 1-20GB hard drive ps3 without hdmi/wireless/card reader for 300-350 in a heartbeat once they add back in rumble)I can wait, anywayz. To me, Lair is a renter, and Killzone 2, well I'm still more intrested in Resistance than KZ2, I mean if their release dates were swapped, I'd reather have resistance personally. And I agree that Ace Combat 6 looks better than Lair. I am merely speculating but, the main reason that Rouge 3 sucked, is the ground combat, so I'm not holding my breath on that one. Heavenly Sword is a 20-30$ game for me, even if it was on the 360 (in theory).



*rolls eyes*