No free apples in here?
Shiken said:
LBP is a first party IP. Bloodborne was co dev by Sony japan. Ratchet and Clank is a 1st party IP, but devs made sunset overdrive so yea I give you that. Regardless the difference in volume is still there, and my point remains true.
That said, let it be known that I am sore about Lionhead being closed in particular. This will leave me even more sour than usual toward MS for some time. |
Ori is a MS IP and yet you told him to take it off the list because a developer who isn't MS first party made the game. Yet Ratchet and LBP3 remain? And according to Miyazaki, Sony's involvement in both the creation of Bloodborne and its development were very hands off. I mean, Respawn gushed about how MS engineers helped form the smooth online play and netcode of Titanfall, I doubt most here would give them any credit for "co dev" on the title. It's a reach. I think the moral of the story here is list wars are useless because they are subjective and often loaded to the brim with agendas and bias.
As for your OP barney people are calling it the end of Xbox because that's been the discussion here and other particular forums for months. Whether thats based on logic or pure want, or whether its valid or not, who knows. Everything can and will be and is twisted into how MS is abandoning gaming and/or Xbox :)
The writing is on the wall yet the faith still seems to be up in the cloud.
Not my faith, I have been waiting to see where it's going since launch, the wait is still not over.
All I wanted was a Forza/PGR/Fable box. Seems to be only a Forza box for me atm.
Sorry buddy, got to wait a bit longer. Fitting expression.
Damn my gamer score is pathetic. It tanked way before XBox One, I blame Kinect / living room focus.
LudicrousSpeed said:
Ori is a MS IP and yet you told him to take it off the list because a developer who isn't MS first party made the game. Yet Ratchet and LBP3 remain? And according to Miyazaki, Sony's involvement in both the creation of Bloodborne and its development were very hands off. I mean, Respawn gushed about how MS engineers helped form the smooth online play and netcode of Titanfall, I doubt most here would give them any credit for "co dev" on the title. It's a reach. I think the moral of the story here is list wars are useless because they are subjective and often loaded to the brim with agendas and bias. As for your OP barney people are calling it the end of Xbox because that's been the discussion here and other particular forums for months. Whether thats based on logic or pure want, or whether its valid or not, who knows. Everything can and will be and is twisted into how MS is abandoning gaming and/or Xbox :) |
No bias at all. I actually tried to like my X1 more than my PS4, but it has very little to draw me in. It is purely experience based.
As for your other points, fine lets take all 3rd party shit down (cause we know PS4 dominates here based on how people try to discredit the best ones for PS4, not you per say, but in general). It is still...
Killzone SF (72)
Knack (lower than deserved for a launch title based on actually playing it)
Infamous SS (80)
MLB The Show (always 80+)
Driveclub (MC is based off of launch, but the game it became through amazing dev support makes it every bit as good as Forza in its own right)
TLoU remastered (90+)
Uncharted collection (85?)
VS
Forza 5 (79)
Forza Horizon 2 (85?)
Gears Ultimate (85?)
Halo 5 (85)
MCC (85)
Screamride (lol)
To say that MS has put out all these great games is a joke. They have literally 3 1st party franchises. Even if they do have a slightly higher meta, PS4 has something called diversity in their exclusives. Furthermore when we throw in the games that Sony worked WITH 3rd parties to deliver, it becomes very much the no brainer I described earlier.
No hidden agenda, no bias, just facts laid right out on the table and my own personal experience based on owning all current gen consoles and handhelds. Personal preference is one thing, but facts are facts. MS 1st party doesnt do shit. Even their future line up has nothing other than...
Sea of Thieves
Gears 4
Crackdown 3 (can't recal if this is 1st party or now)
Vs
Horizon Zero Dawn
Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Gran Turismo
Dreams
Gravity Rush 2
Nioh
I mean come on the pattern is clear, yet you still say I have an agenda?
| Dr.Vita said: It is still is a bad news. A studio is a studio, it doesn't matter if it is a big or little studio. |
i think so too.
| Akeos said: So new xbox next year ? |
Xbox Slim this year or next year, maybe ?! the complete new "Xbox" maybe 2018 ?
| GribbleGrunger said: The next logical step would be to pull out of Japan. |
in japan, the sales figures are very bad. But so far they remain there.
Are there traders who do not receive more Xboxes in japan?

2-3 years later and the Kinect is relegated to overpriced remote control.
Called it.
In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank


Shiken said:
Ok first off, this is third party stuff you are mentioning and I was speaking first party. So take Sunset, Ori, Cobalt, and Ryse off of your list as MS did not make them. MS has LITERALLY put out nothing but Halo, Gears, and Forza. Second MC is a collaboration of opinions based on less than 100 people in an era where they will say anything for clicks. Anyone who judges quality off of that site has an incredibly narrow minded view and will ultimately miss out on a lot. Third...lets include meta and third party exclusives.
First off, funny how u never had Bloodborn or TLoU remastered on you list. Laughable in fact. Second look at Final Fantasy 14, Dragon Age Heros, Guilty Gear Xrd, etc. Look at upcoming games like Persona 5, Ys, Uncharted 4 , Horizon, Last Guardian, etc. The list goes on and MS is left in the dust. And it is also laughable that you are regarding a game like Driveclub based on a score given at a rocky launch when through excellent support it has become just as good as the likes of Forza 6 in its own right.
Nice try though, I will give you that. Ultimately your attempt to shut me down is even worse than MS keeping their 1st party studios open though. |
Lol what? I did mention Bloodborne, did you even read my post? Why would i add a PS3 title on that list? Im comparing 1st party game to 1st party games. Same reason i didn't add Gears(82) which also scored higher then GoW3(81). MS own those games i mentioned just like Sony does with there's. And look at all the metacritc scores on Sonys 1st party games? Maybe this is why MS are focusing on 3rd party Devs to make games. Ther3 doing a much better job then owning a bunch of in house studios.
TheDeleter said:
Lol what? I did mention Bloodborne, did you even read my post? Why would i add a PS3 title on that list? Im comparing 1st party game to 1st party games. Same reason i didn't add Gears(82) which also scored higher then GoW3(81). MS own those games i mentioned just like Sony does with there's. And look at all the metacritc scores on Sonys 1st party games? Maybe this is why MS are focusing on 3rd party Devs to make games. Ther3 doing a much better job then owning a bunch of in house studios. |
I missed Bloodborne, my bad. As for the remasters, take Rare Replay off of your list then. None of those games are for X1 and if TLoU Remastered can't count, Rare Replay falls into the same category.
And again, judging off of metacritic in an age where sites are thirsty for clicks is foolish. Titanfall was no better than Battlefront in terms of value, yet it scored fine. However a good JRPG like Tales of Zesteria comes out and it gets a 73. The opinions of less than 100 people does not measure quality.
Shiken said:
I missed Bloodborne, my bad. As for the remasters, take Rare Replay off of your list then. None of those games are for X1 and if TLoU Remastered can't count, Rare Replay falls into the same category.
And again, judging off of metacritic in an age where sites are thirsty for clicks is foolish. Titanfall was no better than Battlefront in terms of value, yet it scored fine. However a good JRPG like Tales of Zesteria comes out and it gets a 73. The opinions of less than 100 people does not measure quality. |
Err, Zestiria is pretty weak... All post Vesperia Tales games have less content or are nowhere near as great as ToV (both vanilla and the remaster)...

AsGryffynn said:
Err, Zestiria is pretty weak... All post Vesperia Tales games have less content or are nowhere near as great as ToV (both vanilla and the remaster)... |
I loved Zesteria actually. Far more than any of the X1 exclusives that have ever been released in fact. Thats the thing about opinions. In terms of quality, it deserves far better than what MC gave it, yet TF (an online only game with very limited game modes at launch) scores over an 80. Regardless of your personal opinion of the game, it was complete and very well made while the other lacked content similarly to The Order 1886, but it got a pass because it was MP. It has no bearing on my point what so ever.
MC is a joke and anyone who tries to base a comparison by it alone has no business making comparisons in the first place, especially because when the tables are turned they would acknowledge the very point I make. It is laughable.