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kingofwale said:
 

High budget games (or anything with high price) run into the risk of bigger losses, therefore much less incentive for a developers to make a high budget game when the alternative is much more titillating financially.

No, I'm not blaming casual games, I'm blaming crapily made, cash-in games.

I have no problem with what Nintendo's doing (well, mostly), what I DO have a problem is their lack of effort to govern all the garbage that's running unchecked in their console.


So you're blaming Nintendo for not controlling shovelware... PS2/PC anyone?

 



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NJ5 said:
 

Convert? Are the casual gamers doing a crusade against hardcore gamers or something? I missed those news, please post a link.

Some of the casual gamers will convert to hardcore gamers later, not the opposite.

 


 A lot of people used to play games as a kid very frequently and now that they are adults, they don't play games very much.  This is very common.



 

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FreeTalkLive said:
NJ5 said:
 

Convert? Are the casual gamers doing a crusade against hardcore gamers or something? I missed those news, please post a link.

Some of the casual gamers will convert to hardcore gamers later, not the opposite.

 


A lot of people used to play games as a kid very frequently and now that they are adults, they don't play games very much. This is very common.


Read the rest of the thread, you're correct but I have already addressed that.

 



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kingofwale said:
Fastrabbit09 said:
as wii moves past 50% market share, u will see more and more and more hardcore games coming to wii

wii will be a hardcore gamer's paradise in 3-4 years

 Really? What's the logic in that?


they can make a hardcore game for a fraction of the cost and sell it to a market that is larger than the alternative

and plenty of hardcore gamers will have a wii as well, if not all 3 consoles...and as more hardcore games are released, more hardcore games will come to the wii attracting more hardcore gamers etc etc etc

kinda like psx/ps2 getting hardcore games even tho they had more of a casual focus 



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Predictions:

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kingofwale said:

I'm not blaming casual games, I'm blaming crapily made, cash-in games. 

I have no problem with what Nintendo's doing (well, mostly), what I DO have a problem is their lack of effort to govern all the garbage that's running unchecked in their console. 


PS catalog of games says hello. You know the catalog with exclusive Bob the Builder & Rugrats games.

kingofwale logic = FAIL 

 



BAM! There it is!
 
Wii Code 3456 7941 4060 2924
COD MW Reflex 541192229709
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Behold, the massive list of shovelware to never appear on the PS2

1405Codename: Kids Next Door - Operation: V.I.D.E.O.G.A.M.E.200549
1406Salt Lake 2002200249
1407Disney's PK: Out of the Shadows200249
1408Naruto: Uzumaki Chronicles 2200749
1409Stunt GP200149
1410RTX Red Rock200349
1411NCAA Final Four 2001200049
1412Yu-Gi-Oh! GX: The Beginning of Destiny200849
1413Saint Seiya: Chapter Sanctuary200549
1414Warriors of Might and Magic200149
1415RC Revenge Pro200149
1416Steel Dragon EX200449
1417Blade II200249
1418Power Rangers: Dino Thunder200449
1419Happy Feet200649
1420Dragon Ball Z: Sagas200549
1421Swords of Destiny200649
1422Payout Poker & Casino200749
1423Get On Da Mic200449
1424Pilot Down: Behind Enemy Lines200549
1425Ephemeral Fantasia200148
1426Battle Assault 3 Featuring Gundam Seed200448
1427ChoroQ200448
1428Dark Angel200248
1429Vietcong: Purple Haze200448
1430Winback 2: Project Poseidon200648
1431DICE: DNA Integrated Cybernetic Enterprises200548
1432Digimon World 4200548
1433Delta Force - Black Hawk Down: Team Sabre200648
1434Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon200348
1435Monster 4x4: Masters of Metal200348
1436Guy Game, The200448
1437Beat Down: Fists of Vengeance200548
1438Strike Force Bowling200448
1439Pac-Man Fever200247
1440Monster Jam Maximum Destruction200247
1441Scorpion King: Rise of the Akkadian, The200247
1442Predator: Concrete Jungle200547
1443Red Ninja: End of Honor200547
1444Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Battle Nexus200447
1445One Piece: Pirates Carnival200647
144650 Cent: Bulletproof200547
1447Conflict Zone200247
1448Swashbucklers: Blue vs. Grey200747
1449My Street200346
1450Sega Classics Collection200546
1451Hustle: Detroit Streets, The200646
1452Tokyo Xtreme Racer DRIFT 2200746
1453Catwoman200446
1454Lowrider200346
1455Superman Returns: The Videogame200646
1456Golden Compass, The200746
1457World Series of Poker200546
1458Surfing H30200046
1459Powerpuff Girls: Relish Rampage, The200246
1460Backyard Wrestling 2: There Goes the Neighborhood200446
1461Mobile Suit Gundam SEED: Never Ending Tomorrow200545
1462Without Warning200545
1463Arctic Thunder200145
1464Unlimited SaGa200345
1465NCAA Final Four 2004200345
1466D1 Grand Prix200645
1467Hard Rock Casino200645
1468Shadow the Hedgehog200545
1469ESPN National Hockey Night200144
1470Mummy Returns, The200144
1471State of Emergency 2200644
1472Tetris Worlds200244
1473Jonny Moseley Mad Trix200144
1474Let's Make a Soccer Team!200644
1475Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter200644
1476Evolution Skateboarding200244
1477Made Man200744
1478Digimon World Data Squad200743
1479Flushed Away200643
1480Final Fight: Streetwise200643
1481Zathura200543
1482Legend of Alon D'ar200143
1483Sopranos: Road to Respect, The200642
1484Cheggers' Party Quiz200742
1485Xiaolin Showdown200642
1486Star Trek: Shattered Universe200442
1487RealPlay Golf200741
1488Butt-Ugly Martians: Zoom or Doom!200341
1489American Idol200341
1490Urban Freestyle Soccer200440
1491Eureka Seven Vol. 2: The New Vision200740
1492Zatch Bell!: Mamodo Fury200640
1493Final Armada200740
1494Soccer Life 2200640
1495Backyard Baseball 2007200639
1496Torino 2006200639
1497Army Men: Green Rogue200139
1498Polar Express, The200439
149925 to Life200639
1500Cartoon Network Racing200639
1501Driven200138
1502Godzilla: Unleashed200738
1503GT-R 400200438
1504Simpsons Skateboarding, The200238
1505Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines200338
1506Looney Tunes: Acme Arsenal200738
1507Evolution Snowboarding200238
1508Spy vs. Spy200538
1509Shifters200237
1510Aqua Teen Hunger Force Zombie Ninja Pro-Am200737
1511Shield, The200737
1512Pimp My Ride200636
1513Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer200736
1514Bad Boys II: Miami Takedown200436
1515Paris-Dakar Rally200136
1516Fight Club200436
1517Charlie and the Chocolate Factory200535
1518Jeremy McGrath Supercross World200135
1519Fugitive Hunter200335
1520International Golf Pro200435
1521McFarlane's Evil Prophecy200434
1522Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing200233
1523Frogger: The Great Quest200132
1524MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch200332
1525Antz Extreme Racing200231
1526Transformers Tataki200331
1527Crazy Frog Racer 2200629
1528GoDai: Elemental Force200227
1529Miami Vice200427
1530Knight Rider 2200426
1531Earache Extreme Metal Racing200625
1532RealPlay Racing200725
1533Gravity Games Bike: Street. Vert. Dirt200224
1534Little Britain: The Video Game200719
 

BAM! There it is!
 
Wii Code 3456 7941 4060 2924
COD MW Reflex 541192229709

AND the shovelware that never existed on the "Hardcore" PSX: (who could forget Kiss Pinball? Yep, no casual shovel games on the PS brand )

220Who Wants To Be A Millionaire: 3rd Edition200150
221Runabout 2200049
222Clock Tower II: The Struggle Within199949
223Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 2200048
224Freestyle Motocross: McGrath vs. Pastrana200048
225Power Spike Pro Beach Volleyball200048
226Digimon World 3200247
227MTV Sports: T.J. Lavin’s Ultimate BMX200147
228Treasure Planet200244
229Mike Tyson Boxing200044
230Disney's Dinosaur200044
231Danger Girl200043
232ECW: Anarchy Rulz!200043
233Jeremy McGrath Supercross 2000200043
234Digimon World 2200142
235ATV: Quad Power Racing200042
236All-Star Slammin' D-Ball200242
237Countdown: Vampires200041
238MTV Sports: Skateboarding Featuring Andy McDonald200040
239WCW Backstage Assault200040
240Resident Evil Survivor200039
241Duke Nukem: Land of the Babes200037
242Army Men: World War - Land, Sea, Air200035
243Motocross Mania200134
244V.I.P.200133
245Simpsons Wrestling200132
246Powerpuff Girls: Chemical X-Traction200130
247Hooters Road Trip200230
248Disney's The Lion King: Simba's Mighty Adventure200030
249Mortal Kombat Special Forces200028
250HBO Boxing200026
251KISS Pinball200126
252Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Battle 22200325

 

 

 



BAM! There it is!
 
Wii Code 3456 7941 4060 2924
COD MW Reflex 541192229709

NJ5; are you seriously suggesting that housewives and the elderly will play games GTa and Halo or Gran Turismo in the near future?
It seems you're arguing only for the sake of argument and because kingofwale is the one you're arguing with.
More focus on casual market does not benefit hardcore market, its like saying that high sales of Toyota Corolla benefits the sales of Ferrari or that cheap, available clothing makes expensive clothing sell more. Less than sound logic imo.
When an industry sees a window of opportunity to make easy cash, they will of course take it rather than gamble on expensive projects that may not even finance themselves through sales.
We've seen the movie and TV and music industry promote this motto of making quantity over quality (undying TV shows, more and more stupid movies filled with stereotypes and thousands of record artists sounding exactly alike).
How is this a turn for the better for someone who is enthusiastic about them and loves it? Seeing your favourite pasttimes deteriorate before your eyes does not instill optimism, at least not with me.
In the end, mainstream media turns shallow and uninteresting and turns into a guessing contest over what the unstable masses want next rather than develop sound and steady platforms of media with quality, experience and well thought out content.
If the gaming market in ten years is 90% casual and 10% "hardcore", which group will get the love and consequently the bigger budgets and attention?
I shiver at the thought of the last entertaining media going shaite and mainstream only to kill originality (don't give me "oh but teh 9000 FPS games!" sentence again, please) and love for the game (literally).



So what do we have here?

Ah, another round of "Nintendo is destroying gaming!!!11!one!!".
I think i'm gonna enjoy this one.

On Topic: Yeah, the casual gaming population is growing. That's good for the industry, not bad as "some" make it seem.



 

NJ5 said:
kingofwale said:
 

High budget games (or anything with high price) run into the risk of bigger losses, therefore much less incentive for a developers to make a high budget game when the alternative is much more titillating financially.

No, I'm not blaming casual games, I'm blaming crapily made, cash-in games.

I have no problem with what Nintendo's doing (well, mostly), what I DO have a problem is their lack of effort to govern all the garbage that's running unchecked in their console.


So you're blaming Nintendo for not controlling shovelware... PS2/PC anyone?

 


 PS2/PC have done better job and balancing thirdparty garbage with good third party support. That's why you never see shovelware getting out of hands.



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: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
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Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
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