5% of what? dammit. people really need to stop throwing in numbers without context. beside that. the gpu isnt the one only requirement that needs to be fulfilled. in my case i'd need to upgrade gpu, cpu, usb and OS. it wouldnt make any sense. better buy a a new PC and be read for the future. like in so many other cases of midlevel PCs. its not recommended to rely on below minimum VR ready PC hardware.

kinect isnt comparable to VR as a whole. motion controls on their own never had such an impact. it is too limited in its use and too much below average quality content chased away cunstomers. when it comes to entertainment motion-control peripherals like kinect are restricted to games only. VR is not. outclassing it in multiple ways. VR already has more significant titles than WiiMote or Kinect ever had and there is prove that the VR plattform has the posibility to have milestone games in pretty much every genre.

".But one thing is for sure, if it is not bundled with the console from day 1, then it's support will almost be random."

lol what? support isnt random already. sony has a whole studio dedicated to VR and several project in development. and if its random for console, it will be random for PC too. because, i repeat, a large portion of the games coming to PC VR HMDs will also be available on PS VR. multi-multiplattform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_VR

As a reminder, because we all know how some people are. This list is only ment as an representation, not 100% fact. Looking at it i see a few missing (DOA X3, Drive Club). And others i wonder how they got there (Shadow of the Beast).

So what makes you think a steady support for Rift and Vive won't rub off on Sonys PS VR? Of course it will. And don't say "the power of the PC". Because those games...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGfU7t-WPbA

...are far away from impossible for the combined hardware of PS4 and PSVR. If anything then it's the concept (room scale) the HTC Vive is based on that prevents porting to other VR hardware plattforms.

Is that what you chose to take from what I said? Hold it, ill dumb it down for you so you will spin less. When there is a low installbase everywhere, all devs will put games on every platform, but sony has exclusive studios so will have big exclusive games.

The same as when the ps4 and x1 started, everything was on both consoles, but as the ps4 started to pull ahead and now double the installbasse, some devs started to willingly make exclusives for the ps4 or not make exclusive deals with the x1, or even have exclusive content for the x1. Indys where the first to ditch the x1 cuz they cant afford to port everywhere and chose the leading pltform. We dont see a lot of this yet, mainly all jappanese devs allready cut the x1, wich will increase ps4 sales more, wich will then make other devs not bother with the x1. It can be the same for VR.

You are not addresing the issue here. All that as you said is more power to games you can still play on consoles. There will hardly be a game, or good game you cannt play on the ps4, you can pplay it with better specs but I can play it to wich is the ppoint made on this thread, who will have the most support. But pc's will never have thhouse big hitters the exclusive sony studios will create. So at the end, ps4 will have High end eclusives made by their own studios, but pc wont, cuz every bit third party studio will port games everywhere since VR is still a gamble. The most you are going to get as exclusive on pc is little indys that dont use any of that massive pottential power.

My point was just that graphics is not the thing that is going to be the biggest advantage for pc.

spin less?, no I'm honestly taking your words as they are, not putting words in where there are none.

"big exclusive games"?, so PC cnanot factucally have any big exclusives of it's own?, the platform has to be onwed by someone specifically and have a studio tied to it?.

Japanese devs hardly bothered with Xbox for most of the 3 gens, even with lists brought up it's been clear as day they that hardly liked the Western console.

No the same can't be with VR ebcause you don't seem to understand that VR on PC has many uses including gaming and it;s not suddenly going to have all ties "cut" the way you think it is. I'm sorry buit you're just wrong mate, keep spinning it though because we're going places you and I.

Because it has to have TO 1886 games all around is what I was directly asking you. What advantage do you think PC has besides baiting me by claiming "None" or "indies".

* could you give an example? I have yet to see any pc game with the graphics fidelity of driveclub or the order 1886. Keyword here is graphics fidelity.

** Nope you are projecting your own misinformation onto reality here. The graphics we currently get are a generation ahead of the previous decade. If you look at Uncharted 4 and then on The Last of Us remastered then you will see that your arguement is completely shot down.

*** You might be right, but would you care to give some examples?

**** and this is where you dropped the chain. The graphics of Crysis 3 are not on the level of The Order 1886 or Driveclub for that matter. They use outdated rendering techniques by todays standards. Thie PBR solution is outdated along with their lighting system. 

http://i.imgur.com/8jSgo2D.jpg

Until you can show me pictures from Crysis 3 that has the z-buffer + shader fidelity in display here, you have something to prove.

When it comes to resoloution you are no longer talking about graphics fidelity. PC will always have an advantage in FPS + resoloution. 

The API stuff you talk about towards the end might very well get an improvement on PC, but at the same time PC's still have non-static hardware which means the optimization can never be as in depth as consoles.

3rd party developers have reported that they see at least a 60% performance boost in comparison to equal hardware on PC. Keyword 3rd party.

The first party games always look way better than the 3rd party games.

YOur just gona keep on going, right? Fine. Did I ever said it wont have? No I keep talking about the start, there wont be any in the begining and by then when the installbase reaches a desent number on pc's, it wont matter, consoles will have over triple the installbase, so there will be way more big exclusives in the future on consoles. Just like there are now, just like there has always been in the past, since gaming ever started and it will cntinu to be like that.

Think of it as how great a lexus is, everyone would like one, but most people cant afford it so they buy toyota. How many more toyotas are sonld than lexus? or hondas than acuras? or audi than larboghinys? note that I use car modles that are owned by the same company so they have similar builds.

This other application argument is nonsense. most people who have high end rigs for like video editing or work related stuff, dont use that for gaming. Most people who see some great use in studying, work practice or whatever and buy a $2000 pc + VR will probably not use it for games. So its pointless for game developers.

Baiting you? wtf. chill lol. 

I am just saying that graphics is not the main advantage for todays pc's.

However the PC is an open platform. You can have literally ANYTHING on there. That was my point at least. 

PC already has VR porn ffs :D 

Until sony starts allowing VR porn i don't think PSVR is going to ever compare. Because porn is propably the "gatekeeper" of content allowed. 

If they start doing porn i don't see why they wouldn't do the rest.

Come to think of it i think PC's biggest advantage is in how fast the new types of content can get consumed.

YOu want to keep going?.

You imply either way with the way you talk about it. I don't know why you seem to think a single generation of a console can somehow dawrf a number that has been growing for decades, but hey that's what we're going to go with what you infer towards. Your version of "big exclusives" seems to differ greatly from mine.

PC isn't owned by someone or a company though, big difference and yet it can have it's own form of "big exclusives", burt you'll no doubt bend the rules of what an exclusive is or some bullshit "true exclusive" (come on that dance is really old by now).

It's not nonsense, you just refuse to acknowledge that VR will serve other purposes other than gaming and PC is that platform to allow for that the PS4 simply won't, it;s like you expect the air force to strictly buy PS4's to do VR training instead of using the computers they have at base that are specifically designed for their training purposes or a friggin hospital, whenw as the last time you went to a hospital where reception or doctors used a console to do their work?. Last time I ever heard of a console ever being used in a big way was years ago with last gen where scientists hooked up a load of PS3's to do all sorts of data crunching and even then they were used for a limited time since they are no longer being used en mass.

I know plenty of people who use video editing rigs for their own gaming purposes, especially artists I follow around the world, but I guess they don't exist or we'll pull some bullshit "yeah but they are the minority so there!", still doesn't stop the fact that people canbuild high end rigs or medium ones to do what they want and also use VR if they wanted. VR isn't only meant for gaming and never will be because there have been countless times where we've invented something for a single use, only for time to turn said invention to serve multiple purposes, the same will happen with VR like it or not and it's going to happen with the platform that makes your games, that makes your very console, that makes virtually anything these days through design.

You can keep this going all day but it's still going to go to the same tune.