Sooooo... are we talking about the handheld here?

There are a few whitepapers around. Nintendo would have it's own R&D to work on such a thing.

I wasn't able to find the information I was reading when I first heard this rumor.
But this should hopefully wet your apetite:
https://www.apexmagnets.com/news-how-tos/new-type-of-magnet-has-potential-to-transform-electronics/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022460X07002581

I'm holding some reservation like yourself, should be interesting to see how things turn out.

It's really not.
Let's use your "math".

If the Wii U is twice as fast as the Xbox 360... And the Xbox One is only twice as fast as the Wii U... Then the Xbox One is only 4x faster than an Xbox 360.
Just let that sink in for a moment. Please.

Now look at the games, there is a stark contrast in the graphics of the Xbox One and the Xbox 360/Wii U. No contest. - One that lends credence to it being a gap larger than 2x or 4x.
Proof is in the games.

The Wii U can have less "GFLOPS" than the Xbox 360, yet still offer more performance.
It can have less bandwidth, but still pull ahead, the Xbox One is the same case again.

Zen won't be expensive/expansive.

You don't put a full-featured Desktop CPU into a console, you just don't, console's do not have the cooling capacity nor power delivery, heck they can't even afford to do it.
A low-end Quad-Core Zen would be more than adequate, maybe even a high-clocked Dual-Core. (A Dual-Core Intel chip can be faster than all 8-cores in the Xbox One/Playstation 4.)
Zen will fill AMD's entire product stack from cheap tablets right up to 16-core servers, it will also be the Architecture which will replace Carizzo and the other APU's.


HBM? Why? HBM is useless in a console, you are only gaming at a last-century 1080P. Nor would a console employ such an expensive memory system, you aren't paying $1000 for your hardware.
Let's say the NX had 150Gb/s of GDDR5X (Or plain ole' GDDR5) bandwidth... It will make better use of that than the PS4 which has 176Gb/s of bandwidth.
Why? Compression. Or more specifically Colour compression. - It's amazing how newer GPU's tend to have newer technologies to drive up efficiency, so the NX doesn't need more raw bandwidth (And thus more expensive memory chips) to beat the PS4.

Polaris will likely be a good deal faster than only 2x than the PS4, in the high-end at-least.
Fury X is already 3-4x faster... At 1080P. - But it doesn't really show it's true muscle untill you start gaming at 1440P or 4k, then it is in a league of it's own.
Polaris at the mid range could actually meet where R9 290/390 is right now in all regards except bandwidth, with superior energy characteristics, 14nm is showing some great promises that AMD and nVidia have been vocal about.

Price is probably going to be a big factor, Nintendo usually tends to market itself to the younger/casual market, which are typically more price sensative. I would be very surprised if the machine was priced higher than the Next-gen twins.

I'd be surprised too. I think now it's possible to make a machine with a similar PS4/One power and make it cheaper, so I think that's what they're going to do. Maybe they can do a "Game Cube" again (with better results I hope xDDD), though that seems a bit too much.

I think they could surpass GameCube because of their tight dominance on the handheld-market and I hope that this hybrid-thing (if it is coming) can boost Nintendo to new prosperity. The new games that developers could realize on a hybrid-device would give them an advantage over their competitors and they don't need another gimmick this time. Maybe that is even the true realization of what they had in mind, when they gave the Gamecube the handle at the back 😆

Gamecube-like numbers at the console-side would be an up over Wii U, but if they just sell 30 million of these it won't become a main-device for them and we will see a new handheld-only-device.

I'm sure that NX will surpass GC, I was talking about the console being cheaper and powerful. I'm not sure about the technical and pricing reasons behind it, but that would be great. The GC released at 199$, and I remember back in the time that it was like witchcraft xDDDD.

As far as this particular rumor goes. There is no reason to get too excited about it. It's a copy past from a 4chan post that came out on DECEMBER 6TH 2015.

Again there is NO reason to believe this is real for the time being. Link below.

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/rumor-nintendo-nx-details-leaked-by-credible-source/


I really hope that the note of haptic feed back on the analog sticks is legit. That sounds like a really cool idea. One that could set an industry standard.

The information from the rumour already invalidates it regardless of the source, though.

That's great and all that, but there is a big problem: we're talking about Nintendo.

I remember when we were having the same discussion about Wii U, with many of us making the same mistake of believing Nintendo would use modern hardware. And look how Wii U ended.

Taking for granted that Nintendo will use Zen and Polaris is a mistake and goes against all what Nintendo has done in the past, always going for tried and tested hardware for their products. In fact, if this rumor is true (something that I don't believe) then NX looks to be an hybrid device, and for that, an ARM processor seems more likely.

I think that everyone is taking these rumors to literally. There's way to much that could be in the pipeline in favor of the NX that are unknown. Especially if we go by all of the patents Nintendo filed, it seems like there could be a base unit that has a specific amount of processing power and the ability to add supplemental external processing units for those that desire higher spec consoles.

I actually think that Nintendo may open the external processing units to 3rd party hardware manufacturer's to create and sell. It would probably be more efficient for Samsung, Dell, Acer or Lenovo to manufacture and market and external unit than for Nintendo to package and stock it themselves. The patent states as though the source for this extra processing power was open to a wide variety of devices, so it definitely doesn't sound like a closed box.

Xenos xbox360: 240 GFLOPS 

Wiiu: around 30 watts at 16 GFLOPS per watt: 480 GFLOPS 

Xbox One: 1300 GFLOPS 

So xboxone = 2,5 wiiu = 5 Xbox 360... 

I have looking for polaris and you are in right,  there is one with GDDR and one with HBM,  or can use ZEN with figi.. But i think Nintendo can use carrizo (excavator + Tonga), that will be OK for having third party games... And less expansive...