PSU I got was a gold certified model from EVGA for around £90 at the time of purchase with slight prices changes: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20750xr

As for new cooling I got a Corsair Vengeance C70 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case which came with 3 fans for a price of £99 which isn't all that bad in terms of case pricing.

My heatsink which cools my CPU for £26 which is silly cheap: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2

My GTX 980 as with most GPU's you know, come with their own fans as well as the PSU itself. Basically my build has a total of 7 fans (including PSU, GPU and CPU with the case 3 fans) and that is just the basic level of cooling, I have no need for more fans or water cooling as of yet and no desire to either. My build as of now is also whisper quiet compared to my last build. YOu don't have to spend more money to keep it quiet, thatr sounds like bullhockey to me.

I imagined as such, but the way you look at PC gaming is scewered somewhat.

It is not. I would have to have a *new* PSU, meaning I would have one lying around. Same goes for a new case, add to that I would have to buy new cooling. And I would have to buy a new GPU which also adds a lot of cost and I would need to do more gaming in my bureau room as I don't have my PC in my living room.

So no, no matter how smart choices you made for *you*, this doesn't convince me to re-invest in my beefy work PC to do my gaming there, ever again.

I know where you are coming from, I also was a PC gamer 15 years ago but time has changed and so my preferences and the way I want to spend my free-time.

I was just giving you examples on how you don't have to overspend to upgrade or build a new rig. You remind me exactly of myself 5 years ago, a person who was always tried to find a reason or way to say they didn't want to game on PC, eventually as time went on and learning along the way, things changed.

You don't even need to invest in a "beefy work PC" at all to game on the platform, but having an ancient stone tablet isn't going to get you along with general advances in technology.

Time changes a lot of things (this I know plenty of) but it should change your perspective and knowledge, that alone shouldn't stay static for years and years like your current PC.

Other thing I'd like to ask, did you epr chance step in for the other fellow because you felt you needed to based on your now given stance?.

I don't want to spend *any* additional money to my PC just because of gaming. One tool, one purpose. Also gaming on Linux is not the same as on Windows but that's a different story (I actually have Windows running but inside a VM, of course).

My current perspective on gaming on PC is based on knowledge and experiences, btw.

I don't really understand your last question, is the sentence broken? I stepped in because many people assume that if you have a powerful PC, why don't you do gaming on it. The reasons I won't do gaming on it besides some emulation or Roms I have explained in the former posts.

You do realize you will need a new PC of some sort, be it a laptop or desktop, prebuilt or custom model and even then that would actually count to "additionally" upgrading, just like you've done in the past with paying expenses for new hardware. The fact you buy a console each gen shows that you are willing to pay for hardware improvements every few years (current gen systems basically are PC's in terms of hardware and architecture).

I didn't say they were the same, in fact I don't recall mentioning Linux at all in the conversation we've had.

I'm well aware of that but you gamed 15 years ago and a lot has changed in the time since you've not played on PC.

The last sentence was to ask why you specifically stepped in when I asked someone else "was your money well spent?". Because you jumped in with the whole "people use PC's for work ya know" argument and I was well aware as I have been for years that folk will use a PC for work, just like hospitals and power plants actually need a PC to function, but I also know very well that you can game on PC. I come from a family that honestly doesn't like wasting money on products and food they will likely ignore and waste, I was merely asking the other user in his money being well spent because he seems to be happy to spend enough on a PC to game on but will likewise buy a console and then proceed to ignore his previous investment, the more time you spend ignoring an investment, the more it technically becomes a waste of money, the same way a man can buy 25 sports cars and only drive two of them throughout his entire life with the other cars being wasted on doing absolutely nothing while being neglected.

You do realize you don't have to educate me when it comes to computing devices at all? I don't see me buying a new PC in the next at least 5 years. I am good to go until then.

I didn't mention Linux at all because it was a hardware discussion, not a software discussion. I also said that when I play games, it's mostly emulated games. Which run fine on Linux (or inside a VM).

I don't have to play on PC to know what it actually is. What exactly changed in 15 years of PC gaming? Steam happened? Yes. Games got cheaper? Also yes, the sales are insane. Piracy is still a thing? Also yes. I don't see a substantial change in PC gaming, at all. It never was a problem for me to fiddle with drivers, to make handmade ini's and all this stuff, it even was some kind of fun to poke with games, yes.

To the topic of wasting money: I waste so much money, it's not even funny, seriously. And don't get me started how often my collegues moan about the next steam sale and tell me how many games they are going to buy again which they will never ever even install. "But it's so cheap!". You can't complain about people wasting money. They do what they do.

And one wrong assumption for you: I don't buy a console every gen. I still have a 360 and the last console I owned before that was a Saturn.

I don't need to educate you, I just need to point out that you're going to upgrade regardless, I was suggesting to at least maybe look into choosing a nice upgrade in the *future* than deciding to choose a stone tablet deliberately (like setting yourself up for another reason to talk this out again in another 5 years because you decided to choose the absolute weakest spec possible, some people out there actually do set their arguments up like that believe it or not).

Still don't know why you mentioned the OS when you could have just said what you already said before in terms of just emulating old games, we already knew that.

You may not see a substantial change in PC gaming but that doesn't change the fact that a lot has transpired in 15 years, an absolute lot has changed, especially for mobile phones, the internet etc. I too fiddle around with my ini files and modify my games when possible, I'm not the type that tinkers around with his hardware like some would, I make my build and tweak the games. Drivers I haven't needed to really mess with since over the years, drivers have become more simplified.

I don't know why you compared a digital product to the physical one, one has a physical expiry date and the other doesn't really have a set defined expiry date (unless the world were to end tomorrow, then the date would be fully set out). Yes you can waste money all you want and food, but you can still get judged for it. I freely admit there have been some times where I have wasted some food but in those cases, I've learned to not buy as much food and only buy what I absolutely will eat within the week, that allows me to learn to better make use of my money and not waste food at the same time, that is me improving my decision making and finaicial skills in the process.

In the end it comes down to personal preference. When you think that *to you* the way you decide to spend money on things is the right way to do so, that's absolutely fine. For you. Others choose other options and even have reasons for that. Perhaps that doesn't make sense for the one that lives perhaps completely different but what is there to argue about?

What exactly has changed in PC gaming, seriously? The internet happened? Yes, I can also play online with my console. And 15 years ago went to "LAN parties". Other than that and that Steam "happened", I can experience the same "evolution" also on a console, especially given that many games from consoles are also on PC or vice verse (at least the games I play).

Mobile phones? What's that to do with PC gaming?

I also don't know why you had to bring food into a discussion which is mainly about gaming and PC. I only wrote about wasting money, not wasting crucial ressources. And yes, people waste money for their gaming needs. Where they also waste money is off-topic and should be discussed in a separate thread, in a non-gaming category.

Still doesn't stop others from judging you, that's just a fact of life. You can spend whatever money you want and neglect it to the high heavens but it's not going to stop someone like me saying "hey you're wasting your money, you should probably better yourself or at least use your money wisely". What you said does make sense but like I said before, it does not stop any and all judgement let alone observation from someone else.

A lot has changed, the hardware, the prices, the way we game in terms of peripherals, gamepad evolutions, the online gaming, digital gaming is huge on PC compared to consoles, that's a big difference and change with the platform like it or not. What you consider small and insignificant makes no great difference, the fact of the matter is time has changed a lot of things, for PC a lot has changed, yes consoles have changed as well (I see we're now reaching that point in a debate where we must mirror and put things as 50/50 equals), but to a point where they only go so far, each gen they are stuck to a specific defined piece of kit. With PC's, hardware evolves around the clock all the time. Years ago hardware was insanely expensive and the upgrades were beefy, now we're getting smaller sized hardware, mini desktop builds, better cooling, 4k res jump (consoles will be stuck at 1080p for some more years).

I was pointing out that mobile phones as being part of technology have advanced a lot in the last 15 years the same way PC's have, lets not deviate.

Again you're deviating from the main point. I was generally referring to neglecting an investment whether it be on food or a product. I don't know why you're now telling me we should take it to off topic considering my question was aimed at someone else and not you, but you stepped in to tell me otherwise. I take it this is the end of discussion part, or are we going to stretch this further based on what I've said and deviate even further to the point where you go "what are you talking about?".

Of course you are free to judge others. If we were not allowed to, we wouldn't have that many discussions in general.

Again, of course I see how technology changes, I am using PCs every day. Just leave out the gaming part but I know what's happening technically. But when it comes to actual gaming, in my opinion there weren't really substantial changes made to PC gaming. It's always "bigger, faster, better" but calling that substantial is subjective, to me it isn't.

Of course PC evolves all the time, slower right now than before, but still it does. But for example I actively chose a 360 because in my free time, I just want to boot the console and play a game. I can do that on PC? Yes, but I don't want to and I won't in the foreseeable future.

I am still happy with my 360, have a huge backlog on this console and enjoy my time with it. Everyone is free to experience the same with any other device.

So, now back to work at work (which is a Dell Laptop, equipped with 4 cores and a fast SSD. And an Intel GPU which is totally sufficient for my needs ;)).