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Hiku said:
jason1637 said:
Phill said the next abox is in development and MS is still making money of Xbox so i doubt it.

It's not about whether or not they're making money, but how much of a return on their investment and time spent that they get.

If I for example have savings of 100 000 and invest them into something that gives me a return of 30% profit after 1 year, I'm making money.
But if I can invest in something that gives me a return of 200% profit after 1 year, then it's not worth investing my time and money into option 1.

It would still be idiotic to drop the HW. I cant go much into detail since im on a phone right now but here are some reasons.

MS makes lots of money from xbox live so dropping that and keeping it free on PC is a mistake.

The xb1 is not selling bad its doing like 8ml units a year which may not be as good as the ps4 but still isnt bad at all. 

The next console is already in development.

Third party deals they have still last for a few more years.

Pc games and xbox games sell around the same or sometimes the xbox game would sell more. An example of this is fallout 4, the elder scrolls online, cod etc. So whats the point to limit themselves to pc when they can make double the profit on both platforms.

Only 3 huge xbox games have gone to pc. Qb(alan wake was also on PC), Gears UE(gears 1 was released on pc) halo wars 2(rts are better on pc).

Windows store cant compete with steam because the only support its better are from mobile devs and MS, while Steam has much of 3rd party games, and PC exclusives.

Xb1 is still much cheaper than a gaming PC so to a regular consumer who is interested in its exclusives would get the xb1.

The xb1 is the gateway to the living room for MS. Many companies have been trying to get into people's living rooms. Apple with its Apple TV. Valve with its steambox. Amazon with its fire TV.

I still think MS will continue to make xbox hardware for atleast one more generation. 



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Won't happen unless they finish last in the console race. The xbox fan base that avoid computer gaming will sooner jump to sony's consoles than just become a pc gamer. once the number of those people committed to xbox is high and profitable enough, they will continue to actor to those people.



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RolStoppable said:
                                
SWORDF1SH said:

Out of curiosity, is the reasons you gave why they invented Xbox your opinion, popular knowledge or an official fact?

If it's your opinion I'll stand by my statement of this being a 'tripe thread'. 

Calling it "popular knowledge" would probably be too generous because a lot of gamers don't know about it. Microsoft themselves refered to Xbox as a strategic defensive business move.

I did not know they've said such thing but.. All the time MS is accused of lying, PR spins, dishonesty etc so why is this statement still considered true?



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OneKartVita said:
A bit off topic. But if Microsoft offered Sony this deal would they take it? The PS5 has to use the Windows OS and in return Microsoft will leave the console hardware market and release their games on Windows in future meaning pc and PS5. They could also keep developing a x1 type controller compatible with the PS5. Good deal?

No because if MS actually leave the Console business(stop making Xbox's) they won't support Sony as in they won't release their games on Playstaion and instead focus all their energy on PC gaming while expanding MS Studios in a publishing role to get more Windows exclusive games to push their platform.

But if the PS5 uses windows it will be part of their platform anyway.  It would guarantee Microsoft 100m extra windows sales but more importantly sales to dedicated gamers.  

 

Again Sony are in control so are probably happy they can go their own.  Especially when the ps4 OS runs better than the x1 OS



RolStoppable said:
theprof00 said:
It's like you wrote my thread a year after I did :D

My thread is probably better and definitely more interesting. I am not even sure if I want to read your thread (and yes, I have the link and already looked at it).

kowenicki said:
Great, but how does that makes MS different to Sony or Ninty in the end game?

Games will be a service on multiple platforms and devices unless you want to die or be very niche.

(There are people in the music industry (essentially greedy and selfish idiots) who think you can go the gaming route and release exclusive music on only one platform. They are fucking idiots. It is so contra to what consumers expect and want now)

Making gaming entirely service-based only works for companies who use the same controller every time. So because of that aspect alone it's unlikely that Nintendo will go that route. Theoretically, you could release a new type of controller to work with a service, but that wouldn't garner as much consumer and developer interest as a box that comes with said controller.

Besides, this thread isn't about the end of Microsoft consoles, but rather Xbox-branded ones.

SWORDF1SH said:

Out of curiosity, is the reasons you gave why they invented Xbox your opinion, popular knowledge or an official fact?

If it's your opinion I'll stand by my statement of this being a 'tripe thread'. 

Calling it "popular knowledge" would probably be too generous because a lot of gamers don't know about it. Microsoft themselves refered to Xbox as a strategic defensive business move.

You're going to have to link me to get the context of that statement. Personally I don't buy that they made Xbox to protect windows. You're trying to put round pegs in square holes. For me MS saw how the gaming market was expanding and they wanted a peace of the pie. 



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kowenicki said:
Great, but how does that makes MS different to Sony or Ninty in the end game?

Games will be a service on multiple platforms and devices unless you want to die or be very niche.

(There are people in the music industry (essentially greedy and selfish idiots) who think you can go the gaming route and release exclusive music on only one platform. They are fucking idiots. It is so contra to what consumers expect and want now)

Sony already has PSNow, which will eventually support PS4 games.  Its really to early to know what Nintendo is going to do. Also, its not greedy for a platform holder to release content exclusivily for its own platform (not sure what you are responding to here).



It does make a lot of sense and the console market is shrinking, despite the PS4 selling really well..

Whether they will completely switch, only time will tell



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Ka-pi96 said:
jason1637 said:

Pc games and xbox games sell around the same or sometimes the xbox game would sell more. An example of this is fallout 4, the elder scrolls online, cod etc. So whats the point to limit themselves to pc when they can make double the profit on both platforms.

Well unless it's sold on the Windows store or published by Microsoft they don't get anything for sales of PC games. So even more reason not to limit themselves, unless they were to buy out Steam or something of course.

I agree. This is why MS should make games for PC and Xbox and not fade the xbox out. Limiting themselves to one platform would be a mistake when there a chance they could makes 100% more.



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RolStoppable said:

My thread is probably better and definitely more interesting. I am not even sure if I want to read your thread (and yes, I have the link and already looked at it).

Making gaming entirely service-based only works for companies who use the same controller every time. So because of that aspect alone it's unlikely that Nintendo will go that route. Theoretically, you could release a new type of controller to work with a service, but that wouldn't garner as much consumer and developer interest as a box that comes with said controller.

Besides, this thread isn't about the end of Microsoft consoles, but rather Xbox-branded ones.

Calling it "popular knowledge" would probably be too generous because a lot of gamers don't know about it. Microsoft themselves refered to Xbox as a strategic defensive business move.

You're going to have to link me to get the context of that statement. Personally I don't buy that they made Xbox to protect windows. You're trying to put round pegs in square holes. For me MS saw how the gaming market was expanding and they wanted a peace of the pie. 

Can't find the link it was along time ago but Billgates said the reason they ok'd xbox was they saw Sony's success and how much  Playstation had grown the market and Kutaragi talking about making playstation the centre of the home starting with PS2, this goal was seen at the time by many as being almost inevetable the only question seemed to be  , when and whom .

MS where concerned they Sony with their entertainment arms would succeed, so they entered to stop Sony owning the home and how Sony leveraging that could impact windows, another driving factor was it gave them a completly closed ecosystem something they lost out on with windows.



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mjk45 said:
SWORDF1SH said:

You're going to have to link me to get the context of that statement. Personally I don't buy that they made Xbox to protect windows. You're trying to put round pegs in square holes. For me MS saw how the gaming market was expanding and they wanted a peace of the pie. 

Can't find the link it was along time ago but Billgates said the reason they ok'd xbox was they saw Sony's success and how much  Playstation had grown the market and Kutaragi talking about making playstation the centre of the home starting with PS2.

MS where concerned they Sony with their entertainment arms would succeed a MS home box would be a complete closed system something they didn't have with windows so they entered to stop Sony owning the home and how Sony leveraging that could impact windows.  

Thank you. That's a little bit more of an explanation. How true do you think that statement is and how much weight do you that reason truly holds to why they built the Xbox?