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binary solo on 14 February 2016

Ahhh after reading the segment of the article posted int he OP I see why a no brainer question has such a high post count, the article is actually a stealth troll of QB becoming dual-platform.

I'm not sure I buy the complaint that people bought Xb one specifically because QB was not going to be dual platform. The number of people in that camp, IMO is so low that it's not really valid for most Xb one owners to bitch about it. After all, if you don't have a PC capable of playing the game (like me) then the cheapest option for upfront cost is still Xb one.

But the complaint about having to pay for XBL Gold, vs PC gamers who pay nothing is a fair complaint. MS will have to make the online parts of QB available to XBL Silver users, or they will have to charge an annual subscription for PC (not $60 of course, that amount for access to a single game's content is ridiculous).



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Mr Puggsly on 14 February 2016
TaMpAbLaCk said:
Mr Puggsly said:

They planned on losing money, but lost significantly more than anticipated. PS3 had a 50% price cut in about 3 years to catch up with the 360. PS4 has only gone down $50 in two years ($100 only for holiday boost).

At some point PS3's stopped selling at a loss. But they didn't recover all the losses. Which is why Sony said they couldn't afford another PS3.

Once again that is somewhat misleading. Sony did not drop the price just to catch up & pass 360 which they did end up doing, they dropped the price because they knew as the years ticked by the hardware used to build the PS3 dropped like a rock as all tech does. That allowed them to drop the price & they anticipated this.

No, if sales were stronger the price would have stayed higher. The PS3 did not meet sales expectations and there is enough evidence out there proving that.

I really don't want to have this discussion so just believe what you want. But the facts are on my side.



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binary solo on 14 February 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
TaMpAbLaCk said:

What moron thinks the PS3 was a failure? lmao smh

The PS3 ended up surpassing the 360 in worldwide sales around 2011 or so after coming out a full year after & costing twice the price for a while $600. That was a major accomplishment & win for Sony. Now compared to the PS2 it was a failure, but then so is every console in history lol. That said, the PS4 is killin' it & retook the UK & USA from Microsoft which had a 60%-40% lead on Sony in those territories during the reign of the 360 vs PS3. That said, PS3 still ended up catching & passing the 360 last generation. So Sony owns the console market & seems it always will. PSX-PS4 1995-2016 & beyond....

I guess I'm that moron.

You aren't taking into consideration how much money Sony lost to simply get a userbase at par with 360.

For the most part SOny made losses when PS3 wasn't selling at par with 360. By the time PS3 was selling enough to catch up to 360 PS3 was selling at a break even. Sony did have to lose $billions to stop PS3 selling like Gamecube. PS3 was in a death spiral after all.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/83012-playstation-3s-death-spiral



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Mr Puggsly on 14 February 2016
binary solo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I guess I'm that moron.

You aren't taking into consideration how much money Sony lost to simply get a userbase at par with 360.

For the most part SOny made losses when PS3 wasn't selling at par with 360. By the time PS3 was selling enough to catch up to 360 PS3 was selling at a break even. Sony did have to lose $billions to stop PS3 selling like Gamecube. PS3 was in a death spiral after all.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/83012-playstation-3s-death-spiral

The same year PS3 launched profits went down significantly, PS3 was losing much of the money PS2 and PSP were bringing in as well. As PS3 prices were cut Sony lost more and more. Hence, its uncertain how much PS3 was losing on its own because PS2 and PSP were relevant platforms.

PS3 stopped bleeding money in late 2009 I believe, but it lost billions at that point. The Slim model also removed features to reduce losses.



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binary solo on 15 February 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
binary solo said:

For the most part SOny made losses when PS3 wasn't selling at par with 360. By the time PS3 was selling enough to catch up to 360 PS3 was selling at a break even. Sony did have to lose $billions to stop PS3 selling like Gamecube. PS3 was in a death spiral after all.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/83012-playstation-3s-death-spiral

The same year PS3 launched profits went down significantly, PS3 was losing much of the money PS2 and PSP were bringing in as well. As PS3 prices were cut Sony lost more and more. Hence, its uncertain how much PS3 was losing on its own because PS2 and PSP were relevant platforms.

PS3 stopped bleeding money in late 2009 I believe, but it lost billions at that point. The Slim model also removed features to reduce losses.

Right, that's what I said. Sony sorted out the PS3 financial shit in late 2009, which is exactly when PS3 started massively outselling 360 globally and was able to start hauling in the deficit to 360.



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Mr Puggsly on 15 February 2016
binary solo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The same year PS3 launched profits went down significantly, PS3 was losing much of the money PS2 and PSP were bringing in as well. As PS3 prices were cut Sony lost more and more. Hence, its uncertain how much PS3 was losing on its own because PS2 and PSP were relevant platforms.

PS3 stopped bleeding money in late 2009 I believe, but it lost billions at that point. The Slim model also removed features to reduce losses.

Right, that's what I said. Sony sorted out the PS3 financial shit in late 2009, which is exactly when PS3 started massively outselling 360 globally and was able to start hauling in the deficit to 360.

Eh? PS3 stopped losing money in 2009, that doesn't mean it made all the money back on PS3. The estimates for losses are over $3 billion.

Unless you think all PS3's after 2009 were sold at a massive profit, there were no overhead cost running that company, and competing against MS is cheap.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 February 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
TaMpAbLaCk said:

That is misleading. Sony only lost money on the PS3 for a while. It ended up turning a profit for them halfway through the generation. They knew they were going to lose money on it for a while, but that is how they roll. They are all about Quality & revelutionary jumps in the console evolution. They did end up selling around 90 Million PS3's worldwide & they still sell 15k or so a week. Also PS3 owners usually only had to buy 1 PS3 as they did not have near as many problems as the 360 which many owners had to buy 2 or more to replace their broken console.

They planned on losing money, but lost significantly more than anticipated. PS3 had a 50% price cut in about 3 years to catch up with the 360. PS4 has only gone down $50 in two years ($100 only for holiday boost).

At some point PS3's stopped selling at a loss. But they didn't recover all the losses. Which is why Sony said they couldn't afford another PS3.

The PS3 turned profit in 2010. The PS3 was expected to catch up with the 360 naturally (by 2011 by analysts) because Sony is a dominant entity. They did not anticipate the Kinect which would hold off the PS3's ascent for another 2 years. Around 2013 Sony had nearly closed the gap (if they hadnt closed it already) . Sadly for us we never got to find out how it ended because we were so focused on the new console launch of the PS4 and not far behind it the Xbox One.



Mr Puggsly on 15 February 2016
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:

They planned on losing money, but lost significantly more than anticipated. PS3 had a 50% price cut in about 3 years to catch up with the 360. PS4 has only gone down $50 in two years ($100 only for holiday boost).

At some point PS3's stopped selling at a loss. But they didn't recover all the losses. Which is why Sony said they couldn't afford another PS3.

The PS3 turned profit in 2010. The PS3 was expected to catch up with the 360 naturally (by 2011 by analysts) because Sony is a dominant entity. They did not anticipate the Kinect which would hold off the PS3's ascent for another 2 years). Around 2013 Sony had nearly closed the gap (if they hadnt closed it already) . Sadly for us we never got to find out how it ended because we were so focused on the new console launch of the PS4 and not far behind it the Xbox One.

Well we know how it ended, PS3 eventually got ahead of 360 many years later than antcipated. Sony spent billions just to catch up with a Xbox console, it was a wacky decade.



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