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Is heavy metal designed as a platform for singers who aren't exactly..."good"?

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Hell no, there are autentically great metal singers out there. I can give you a lot of examples. Dio, Corey Taylor, M. Shadows, Rob Halford... They are all of them very good singers. By the way, Radiohead and Linkin Park are hardly metal xDDDDD.



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Baryonyx said:

There are over 80 different sub-genres of Metal.

Despite this being a massive insult to metal fans, i understand the power of ignorance is not to be under-estimated. 

 

Educate yourself on a topic instead of stealth-trolling the fanbase behind it. 

 

Linkin park and radiohead is not metal, it's rock....

 

I don't need to prove shit to people who doesn't even do their own research before asking others to do it for them. Metal is doing fine without you

 

Baryonyx said:

There are over 80 different sub-genres of Metal.

Despite this being a massive insult to metal fans, i understand the power of ignorance is not to be under-estimated. 

 

Educate yourself on a topic instead of stealth-trolling the fanbase behind it. 

 

Linkin park and radiohead is not metal, it's rock....

 

I don't need to prove shit to people who doesn't even do their own research before asking others to do it for them. Metal is doing fine without you

U feel offended way to easy. Music is a matter of taste. I like sepultura and clawfinger. But ye gotta admit some of them scream. And u know thar aint plesant. And it doesnt give the impression of someone talented. 

 

Celtic frost scream as well. But they got thar skill of how to scream. And they can sing as well so. 

 

Metal is a good genre. But there is a lot of diarhea inthe biz. 



JRPGfan said:
You could argue they arnt singers at all.... same with rap.
Doesnt mean I dont like some heavy and some rap songs.

I tend to like strong vocalists though, so maybe its just me.

But my point is that there is vastly less good singers in this style than any other. Even Rap, where many artists have excellent vocal range and because of their use of it rapping most (who are good at rapping) become or naturally are good singers. Nobody wants to hear an inconsistant rapper whose voice is changing tone every few seconds as with most artists in the "screaming" style.



 

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John2290 said:
JRPGfan said:
You could argue they arnt singers at all.... same with rap.
Doesnt mean I dont like some heavy and some rap songs.

I tend to like strong vocalists though, so maybe its just me.

But my point is that there is vastly less good singers in this style than any other. Even Rap, where many artists have excellent vocal range and because of their use of it rapping most (who are good at rapping) become or naturally are good singers. Nobody wants to hear an inconsistant rapper whose voice is changing tone every few seconds as with most artists in the "screaming" style.

Very few rappers have that strong vocals.

Alicia Keys, Adele, Katie Melua, Whitney Houston,Hayley Westenra...

How many rappers could go up against any of the above? and come out above? as a vocalist if you set them to singing a non rap song?

 

could you imagine a rapper doing this (live without auto tunner?):

or something like this:



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No. They are actual musicians, not pop stars. Being able to sing isn't always as important to metal musicians. And, for the record, PLENTY of them know how to sing. Don't promote what you don't know.



One thing you will definitely find is that metal as a whole has a very large amount of sub-genres that each seek to bring about a unique sound and style. Sometimes it is about pumping your fist and signing along, and sometimes it is about letting the music take you on a journey or tell you a story. Despite the fact that metal has arguably the most intelligent lyricism out of any other genre, you don't always need words to tell a story. In fact, metal is probably the most complex genre there is; so unfortunately I am going to have to call you out on your false title once again.

One genre that places instrumentation above vocals would be post metal. In post metal the music is more about long winded passages of organic instrumentation than it is about vocals - which does not mean the vocalist can afford to be poor by any means - but it does create less need for a good vocalist. Isis' classic album Panopticon is a good example of this. The vocalist isn't necessarily terrible, but he does not sing much, for the music is more about the holistic journey of organic sound the listener will be taken on. Almost like guitars talking to each other.
Here is that album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA2AJIiw0p8

Sometimes it is true that vocals are intentionally bad, unintelligable or even held back in the mix to create a unique effect. One such example of this is the Jane Doe album by Converge, which is coincidentally my favourite album of all time. The lyrics are very intelligent, but impossible to understand. This is done intentionally to create emotion and a specific array of effects on the listener. In Jane Doe's genre, the music is shaped around the songwriting, blistering instrumentation and raw emotion of the music - not so much the vocals.
Here is that album, which is not for the faint of heart - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLRYREmJqho

In some genres the vocals are clean completely and quite good in fact. From there they can be taken as clean only or have a little death growling mixed in for added effect. The music and sound mix places more emphasis on the vocals; specifically vocal melody and harmony. Sometimes hearing the lyrics is an essential part of telling the story you want your album to tell. One band who I believe is the epitome of this is Opeth. Listen to their song The Lotus Eater - sometimes metal music can be designed for great vocalists.
You can listen to that song here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhohQNdSt7g

Anyhow, if you have any other questions feel free to ask me



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Fuck no! I'd like to see someone scream from their diaphragm without ruining their vocal chords. It's also really not easy to sing clean right after screaming. I can never see myself singing metal in a band at any point in my life, I'm pretty sure I'll just stick to playing drums.



Jesus, Fred Durst is a decent singer? Limp Bizkit is metal? LOL. There is too much wrong with the OP for me to take it seriously. You really need to broaden your "metal" horizons.

Radiohead LOL.