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Is heavy metal designed as a platform for singers who aren't exactly..."good"?

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John2290 said:
think-man said:
Lol hell no, metal is vastly superior, i know a lot of metal vocalist that can do both. Try scream for 3 minutes straight and tell me thats easy

Give me a reason and I'll prove ya wrong ;P But, yeah, I'm not talking vocal power here, I'm talking vocal range and consistency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-s3VDUq3Ew

This is a song from a solo project of Bruce Dickinson (lead sanger Iron Maiden) showing that power and consistency can go very well hand in hand. Considering Iron Maiden practically is the most mainstream New wave of British Heavy metal band it's one of the purest forms of metal out there.



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A lot of people have already pointed out numerous examples of great metal singers, so I'm not going to list of too many, but a few good examples would be Bruce Dickinson, Michael Kiske, Rob Halford and Ian Gillan. They are all on the older, more traditional side of metal.

I do have to question the choice of Fred Durst as an example of a good singer. I find very few redeeming qualities in his singing, metal or not. Just seems like a very odd example to list, and for a moment actually made me wonder if this thread was just some pointless bait attempt.



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Baryonyx said:

There are over 80 different sub-genres of Metal.

Despite this being a massive insult to metal fans, i understand the power of ignorance is not to be under-estimated. 

 

Educate yourself on a topic instead of stealth-trolling the fanbase behind it. 

 

Linkin park and radiohead is not metal, it's rock....

 

I don't need to prove shit to people who doesn't even do their own research before asking others to do it for them. Metal is doing fine without you

The exact kind of hollow reply that is worth no more than "LOL U RONG!" 

How about you explain why OP is "wrong" instead of claiming he is as if it's some innate fact. Having listend to countless different genres, metal rarely has talented singers. No matter what people want to claim, screaming takes far less talent than skillful singing. 



ReimTime said:
TLDR: That's equivalent to the statement that Pop music is best designed as a platform for bad instrumentalists. In reality, this is not true as we can find great musicians and vocalists in all genres. What you are instead doing is comparing different genres - and more specifically subgenres - based upon norms that can be found within that genre that may not reflect upon all practising musicians as a whole.

Actually I'd argue that some genres, like hard house, hardcore, hardstyle, NRG etc are utterly devoid of talent. The reason is the music is just made for people off their heads on ket and MDMA. So with that being said, when the purpose of a genre isn't to do with the music per se, then it tends to have a low standard of quality - with metal being more for protest than the music, I'd argue that's why in general it's quality is quite low. 



The best I can do is give an example of one band I know who has a good singer. Protest The Hero.
Though their sub genre kind of demands for it.



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ps4tw said:
Baryonyx said:

There are over 80 different sub-genres of Metal.

Despite this being a massive insult to metal fans, i understand the power of ignorance is not to be under-estimated. 

 

Educate yourself on a topic instead of stealth-trolling the fanbase behind it. 

 

Linkin park and radiohead is not metal, it's rock....

 

I don't need to prove shit to people who doesn't even do their own research before asking others to do it for them. Metal is doing fine without you

The exact kind of hollow reply that is worth no more than "LOL U RONG!" 

How about you explain why OP is "wrong" instead of claiming he is as if it's some innate fact. Having listend to countless different genres, metal rarely has talented singers. No matter what people want to claim, screaming takes far less talent than skillful singing. 

Do you honestly believe he would care at all of what i would say? I could dedicate hour's into explaining it in detail, providing good sources but in the end, he will just scroll by. I have been into music as  a hobby for over 15 years, i know when i will waste my time, but responding to several persons so far, seem to have wasted it anyway. 

I give you one: Dream theater. That band is pretty much the answer at everything, the entire group is basically out of this world when it comes to talent and they basically work on a new album every year and they have 20 min long songs, they have mainstream hits and they got a very loyal fanbase, which means this band have basically hit the gold mine. A lot of musicians hits popularity with the wrong crowd, that is the hitster's, which basically only care about your hit song for a certain short duration, when that group moves on, your band is heading for a cliff, Dream theater doesn't rely on that crowd, they have fans who are musician at heart themselves.



 

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Baryonyx said:
ps4tw said:

The exact kind of hollow reply that is worth no more than "LOL U RONG!" 

How about you explain why OP is "wrong" instead of claiming he is as if it's some innate fact. Having listend to countless different genres, metal rarely has talented singers. No matter what people want to claim, screaming takes far less talent than skillful singing. 

I give you one: Dream theater. That band is pretty much the answer at everything, the entire group is basically out of this world when it comes to talent and they basically work on a new album every year and they have 20 min long songs, they have mainstream hits and they got a very loyal fanbase, which means this band have basically hit the gold mine. A lot of musicians hits popularity with the wrong crowd, that is the hitster's, which basically only care about your hit song for a certain short duration, when that group moves on, your band is heading for a cliff, Dream theater doesn't rely on that crowd, they have fans who are musician at heart themselves.

" they basically work on a new album every year and they have 20 min long songs" 

Neither of those things show talent, as talent is quality, not quantity. Same goes for the rest of your comment talking about "crowds" - absolutely unrelated to talent. You can have zero fans, or a million, but neither are indicative of talent.

I think the sign of a talented artist is when they show a healthy palate of variety and unquestionable skill in a genre that is challenging. Having listened quickly to some Dream Theater, it's nothing special and certainly a far cry from being special; it sounds like it could be used as backing music to Flash Gordon. Now if we look at someone who is unquestionably gifted at music composition, Hans Zimmer, then the mile wide chasm between him and Dream Theater is clear. That's not to say both can't be enjoyed, but lets not confuse talent and mediocrity. 



ps4tw said:
Baryonyx said:

I give you one: Dream theater. That band is pretty much the answer at everything, the entire group is basically out of this world when it comes to talent and they basically work on a new album every year and they have 20 min long songs, they have mainstream hits and they got a very loyal fanbase, which means this band have basically hit the gold mine. A lot of musicians hits popularity with the wrong crowd, that is the hitster's, which basically only care about your hit song for a certain short duration, when that group moves on, your band is heading for a cliff, Dream theater doesn't rely on that crowd, they have fans who are musician at heart themselves.

" they basically work on a new album every year and they have 20 min long songs" 

Neither of those things show talent, as talent is quality, not quantity. Same goes for the rest of your comment talking about "crowds" - absolutely unrelated to talent. You can have zero fans, or a million, but neither are indicative of talent.

I think the sign of a talented artist is when they show a healthy palate of variety and unquestionable skill in a genre that is challenging. Having listened quickly to some Dream Theater, it's nothing special and certainly a far cry from being special; it sounds like it could be used as backing music to Flash Gordon. Now if we look at someone who is unquestionably gifted at music composition, Hans Zimmer, then the mile wide chasm between him and Dream Theater is clear. That's not to say both can't be enjoyed, but lets not confuse talent and mediocrity. 

Wow, just wow.  Do you play a instrument? Do you have any clue about notes and key-signatures at all?
You basically compared a set piece of difficult set-pieces with over 130 time signature changes, not only do you have to play the correct notes, the timing is key. Hanz zimmer is good, but his music isn't even challenging at all, it's basically the same key-signature through-out the entire song, which are the simplest signature to follow, 4/4... It's hillarious that you can't comprehend Notes and signatures.. 
You simply don't have a damn clue, you better go educate yourself on music-theory.. It would be okay if you simply aren't interested in Progressive music such as Rush, Dream theater, Emerson, lake and palmer which creates music completely different then any other musician out there, it requires a brain that can follow a melody that stretches far beyond a simple 4/4 beat, but to downgrade the entire genre down to Flash-gordon? which is a 4/4 beat, with a few power-chords and a Guitar with Phaser-effect pedal only proves that you have no clue about what you are talking about.. the only reason why you brought Zimmer, are simply because you are a movies fan.

Fuck my life, that i constantly have to take shit like this. Go listen to Dream theater- Dance of eternity, perhaps LIVE and then you can come back to me, perhaps you actually know where you fucked up. Also, the entire thing is an insult to Zimmer as well, You basically compared his life-work with Flash-gordon, Zimmer is a great musician in his own right, except that he is famous for being a copy-cat who uses the same chord-progression, same for 4 notes from a lot of other famous movie-composer's, because using what people are familiare with, is instant succsess. It's weird a pro such as yourself didn't know this.. Dream theater in comparison is atleast original with their chord-progression, they even change the entire beat up with unique key-signature changes, which i bet, if you was good at counting beat, wouldn't be able to follow, unless if you aren't really consentrating, if you actually did like the dream theater music, the struggle to pay attention to the change of beat, notes, chord progression wouldn't have been degraded down to flash gordon, simply because they share one similarity, to make it sound majestic and tight.  Pirates of caribbean theme is a faster version of gladiator, which again was taken from Mars, even a lot of the part's in pirates of caribbean is also a pure rip off from titanic.. the list is endless, check it yourself if there are any doubt's. So it's challenging to rip other composer's off with 4/4 melodies? Hahahaha! You made my day sir

Your entire comment was so dumb, i actually consider it stealth-trolling cuz why else would you say such ignorant shit? I can't think of anything else then a provotion. Well, trolling and gaming goes hand in hand these days.



 

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designed as a platform for singers who aren't exactly..."good"? Do you mean Brazilian Funk?



Metals is musically very difficult to make.



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