i agree with you on the fact that Sony lost touch with what gamers want, and price and games are these issues. They got cocky and believed that no matter what the price, people would jump at it because it shares the playstation brand. I'm still waiting for so many games they promised us and probably wont arrive until next year.

well if nintendo wii flopped we would see the end of the console all together this gen since m$ and $ony wants to make multimedia hubs  out of your living rooms which would be the end of consoles al together. and at the  prices for those two they wouldnt have had price cuts at all and we would see no one buying anything else. then the pc  market would expand at a rapid rate then what it is currently doing. so for gamers out there that loves their consoles are happy  nintendo wii was a success and not afailure.

Half a year before the Wii debut I put every cent I had in Nintendo stock based on the strength of the DS alone. I'm up $100,000 above the original investment. I would sure as hell NOT be happier if the Wii had flopped. What the hell!

You're a PS3 fanboy, and you should face reality like all the other fanboys on this site, including myself. If there is one thing that I hate more than anything, it's people that purposefully detract from a console they don't own, simply because it is competition for their console of choice, while at the same time posting as unbiased observers. Sure, you tout the PS3 often enough, but your pointless and downright mean flames of the Wii are something I cannot stomach sir. I might have a personal distain for the PS3 and the 360(I own a PS3 actually, and have owned a 360) but I do my best to keep my criticisms to myself when I know they are based off personal opinion and preference, and also realized I might be biasedly leant towards Nintendo. You state your harsh and indiscriminate criticisms as fact and indeed insult fans of the system itself when they attempt to defend it from your opinions which you all too often state as fact, in declairative sentences. Never let em see you faulter in war, though, right?

As for you being public enemy number one(as WoW so eloquently stated in his own sort of cynical anti-Nintendo fanboy way), you are far from it. You are indeed beneath my contempt sir, in all regaurds, but I break my rule by addressing you directly right now. You are a fanboy and a Wii-hater who is heavily biased towards the PS3. Any attempts to deny that are laughable, and should be scoffed at by any intelligent individual be them Sony fanboy or Nintendo. Feel free to continue your hateful ramblings, but there is a reason I hold so much more respect for Riot's, WoW's, Leo-J's, or even Legend11's hateful opinions, than your own. They, sir, have scruples and honor in their posts even if sometimes it doesn't shine through as brightly as we would hope. You do not, you are a fanboy, a detractor based on brand, and a child. Good day to you sir. You asked my opinion and now you know it.

Sony wouldn't have the liquidity to sell 11 million PS3's at 300 bucks on the barrelhead. The only thing that would be different is that either the PS3 would be 1/4th as powerful, or Sony would be out of business, imo.

Fuck the Wii.

Nintendo lost their dignity to make money.

 Yep after learning the nature of people, it's easy to understand why people don't like the Wii.  When people see things as a threat to something they like more, they automatically throw out the defensive.  However if that item wasn't a threat but in competition with something that was a threat they'd praise it.  This is why so many people loved the Wii, BEFORE it released.  

And if people really need an example to what I'm talking about, hell Riot of Blood's post is the perfect example haha.   

Firstly, you're talking now about titles that stick out publicly. Just because those three genres are the most popular does not mean the 360 lacks diversity in other genres. They just don't sell well. You confused prominence with precense. Those other genres exist on the 360 whether they sell or not.

Secondly you can't compare PS3's year 1/2 lineup to 360's first year 1/2 lineup. The reality is, the 360 released 12 months earlier and it's library is one year larger, thus more diversity. The SNES library is more diverse than 360 but it had 5-6 years on the market to make it that way. In our reality, PS3s library is just less diverse than 360's, end of story.

Thirdly, I wasn't arguing about the PSP and the DS because I agree with you there. You are however horribly wrong about the PS3 being more diverse than the 360.

Also I checked VG Chartz for the PS3's million sellers and guess which titles are the most "prominent"? Well lookie here, there are two racing games, two FPSes and two sports games, totaling 60% of the 10 titles with each genre sharing 20% each. The 360 has 35 million sellers with 7 titles being FPSes(20%), 5 racing games(14%) and 6 sports titles(18%). It seems the PS3 is as prominent or more prominent in all of these genres.

Might as well throw my 2 cents in here. I only have a Wii and that was two weeks ago so I only have Zelda, but I most definitely do not like the controller and that is the main selling point of the Wii.

Don't get me wrong, it has its up sides, like when using the claw shot or the bow, but to have to flick the controller to swing the sword and not have it work all the time really blows. Also the system having trouble telling the difference of me wanting to hit the enemy with my shield and me wanting to do a spinning attack when the motions are completely different is kind of stupid. I probably would have liked it more if they stuck to just push A to swing and incorporate the motion control for special attacks, but that is not the case and it doesn't change the fact that it has trouble telling the difference in the motion of the nun chuck that I mentioned. I usually would have beaten a Zelda game as good as this one close to twice by now in the time that I have had it but I can not play for extended periods of time without my wrist getting sore because of those controls, after all, the point of a gaming system is to the play games not recoup from the last gaming session.

I could make a more informed decision when I buy Super Mario Galaxy, but that won't be for a bit longer, to see how they evolve the controls, but the way that they started inspired a lot of 3rd party companies to make the motion censors the controls of the game instead of a complement to the game. That isn't very focused I know but to make my point clear, I am glad that they did what they did with the remote, there are good things about it, but I don't like how they went about using it so far. I much prefer traditional gaming because it would allow me to play the games more instead of playing a little bit here and there because of poorly thought out controls (like in Metroid where reviewers said you can't play the game for long without getting carpal tunnel).

Did you guys know that arcades in Japan have closed down mainly because of the Wii? This was in the latest GameInformer magazine. (Issue 180)

Quoted as: "While you can't argue with how hot Nintendo's Wii is right now, one unfortunate casualty of its success are Japanese Arcades. Both Sega and Namco are closing large numbers of their arcades in Japan, where they have remained popular and relevant for longer than here in the U.S.

A friend of mine, who lives in Japan, is a huge fan of arcades. He is definitely not happy with the Wii. (His local arcade closed down about a month ago.) He owns no current gen consoles (PS2 and DS) and neither has the extra cash to buy a current gen system.

Yes I bolded the casual part of casualty. Not trying to rub it in.