The only reason I would want the Wii to flop would be that Nintendo need to finally realise Friend Codes suck and so does their online service.

They need to fix this stuff. They themself said they made wii simple to use for no gamers on purpose. I see nothign simple about having to write down MANY MANY friend codes and hand them out to people each time you want to play them.

even though I dont own a wii im glad there doing well though I dont think they will win in the long run oh and if all the consoles where the same sony would win

No , I wouldent have been happier . Why would I ? A name like Nintendo shouldent just vanish , they should just be #2 behind Sony :P

smiles123 said: even though I dont own a wii im glad there doing well though I dont think they will win in the long run oh and if all the consoles where the same sony would win

Actually, the PS3 released before the Wii in Japan and NA. The only place where the PS3 was late is EU. So, had they launched at the same time, Wii would win with a slightly higher margin.

@ kylohk )

Did your post have anything to do with the one you quoted ?

Griffin said: I was happy with past Nintendo consoles, but the wii is a gimmick. Its not a real system, its something to pass time until you get a normal system like the 360/PS3. The wii-mote is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the virtual boy.

Why is the Wii a Gimmick? Because its graphics aren't as good as the 360/PS3's? I hope motion controls aren't your issue because the PS3 has them too.

When I think of Gimmick, I think of things that don't really succeed like oh you know, the Eye Toy, the PS-EYE, Six-Axis, Sweat Engines for Sports Games, Gameboy Advance Card Reader, N64DD, PS Pocket Station, Virtual Boy, Famicom Disc System, etc. etc. When I see Sony has already attempted Motion Controls with the Six-Axis, a potential motion sensing glove for the PS4 and Microsoft is developing their own dual motion controller, you can be pretty sure that the originator of the trend (The Wii) isn't so much a gimmick as it is a sign of the comming times. Last generation you could have called the Gamecube's Wavebird a Gimmick, but wireless controllers are now the standard. You could have called the Dreamcast's (even the Xbox's) online play a Gimmick, but today it has become the standard if not a necessity. You could have said the N64's Rumble was a gimmick, but before you knew it the PS had Dualshock. You could have called the N64's four controller ports a gimmick but by today its the bare minimum for any console.

What's the real Gimmick here? A console that tries to take gameplay further via a new means of interaction (the Wii) or a console that tries to force something as arbitrary to gaming as its company's new media format onto the consumer in a dubious gesture while boasting copy-cat slapped on motion controls and a successor to the questionable Eye-Toy? If you want a Gimmick try an overengineered console that is so hopelessly complicated and was so unprepared for developer support that it was sold on the promise of what it potentially could do in years to come, not what it could do at the moment resulting in a slew of graphically inferior and buggy ports.

While Sony pushes the Ps3 as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray and Microsoft pushes the 360 as a means of blocking their competitor's expansion into other markets that could possibly be exploited through gaming... Nintendo is the only company still making a video game console solely for the video game market. Oh but that's right, they're the ones who are the gimmick, not the two others who are using gaming as a means to other ends.

Lafiel said: @ kylohk ) Did your post have anything to do with the one you quoted ?

Well, he said that if the 3 consoles came out at the same time, Sony would win. Yes, I've edited my post almost instantly after I realised I clicked the wrong "Quote" button.

I wouldn't want the Wii to be a flop because Nintendo deserves the success but I don't like that it's been such a huge success and that everyone else is trailing behind. I think HD gaming should be at the forefront and that casual titles are at least something of a threat to the future of hardcore gaming. Games like GTA IV and MGS4 just wouldn't be possible on the Wii.

Outside of Wii Sports, I've been extremely unimpressed with the motion controls for Wii games and the Nintendo games I'll buy when I get a Wii again (Mario, Zelda) would be better off with a standard controller.

But no, I absolutely would not want the Wii to be a flop.

Onimusha12 said: Griffin said: I was happy with past Nintendo consoles, but the wii is a gimmick. Its not a real system, its something to pass time until you get a normal system like the 360/PS3. The wii-mote is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the virtual boy. Why is the Wii a Gimmick? Because its graphics aren't as good as the 360/PS3's? I hope motion controls aren't your issue because the PS3 has them too. When I think of Gimmick, I think of things that don't really succeed like oh you know, the Eye Toy, the PS-EYE, Six-Axis, Sweat Engines for Sports Games, Gameboy Advance Card Reader, N64DD, PS Pocket Station, Virtual Boy, Famicom Disc System, etc. etc. When I see Sony has already attempted Motion Controls with the Six-Axis, a potential motion sensing glove for the PS4 and Microsoft is developing their own dual motion controller, you can be pretty sure that the originator of the trend (The Wii) isn't so much a gimmick as it is a sign of the comming times. Last generation you could have called the Gamecube's Wavebird a Gimmick, but wireless controllers are now the standard. You could have called the Dreamcast's (even the Xbox's) online play a Gimmick, but today it has become the standard if not a necessity. You could have said the N64's Rumble was a gimmick, but before you knew it the PS had Dualshock. You could have called the N64's four controller ports a gimmick but by today its the bare minimum for any console. What's the real Gimmick here? A console that tries to take gameplay further via a new means of interaction (the Wii) or a console that tries to force something as arbitrary to gaming as its company's new media format onto the consumer in a dubious gesture while boasting copy-cat slapped on motion controls and a successor to the questionable Eye-Toy? If you want a Gimmick try an overengineered console that is so hopelessly complicated and was so unprepared for in developer support that it was sold on the promise of what it potentially could do in years to come, not what it could do at the moment resulting in a slew of graphically inferior and buggy ports. While Sony pushes the Ps3 as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray sacrificing and Microsoft pushes the 360 to cock block their competitor's expansion into other markets that could possibly be exploited through gaming... Nintendo is the only company still making a video game console solely for the video game market. Oh but that's right, they're the ones who are the gimmick, not the two others who are using gaming as a means to other ends.

 

Posted like a true Nintendo fan. Nintendo=good everything else=the devil, right? LMAO!

I personally don't care for the 360 or the Wii.

I feel that the 360 has a real lack of diversity in its software lineup. Its most prominent games are shooters, sports, and racing/driving sims while it completely lacks a prominent JRPG, has only recently gotten two decent action-adventure games(Assassin's Creed and Devil May Cry 4, both of which are multi-platform anyway), and after two years, it hasn't a single platformer or offstyle racer. I'm also not too thrilled about the large hidden costs($50/yr for online, $100 for wireless).

As far as the Wii is concerned, I don't see anything all that "innovative" about its control scheme. As a matter of fact, it makes some games terrible, and I really don't like that it's the only option for games like Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Seriously, was it asking too much to include classic controller support? The friend code thing is also rather inconvenient. Last but not least, the price is way too high for what you're getting.

All that being said, I would not take any pleasure in either of the two failing as their market performance is not hindering me from enjoying the consoles that I do like for this generation(PSP, DS, PS3).