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m0ney said:
On muslim integration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA6XcyXsxXU

 


That's Sweden's fate. When integration fails...



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m0ney said:
Puppyroach said:                          

People are raped on a daily basis in every country on the earth, and Sweden is sadly no exception. 

And the underlined: are you serious? You think it is ok to burn down refugee centers?

And the bolded: Where do all these fantasies come from??? There are no areas controlled by muslims, the police try to treat everyone equal under the law. 2013 was a very violent year in terms on police shootings, where someone was shoot dead. The number? Three times.

That is true, but it is obvious that a large part of arab and black african immigrants are savages that canot be integrated. Women are treated like dogs and worse in the own countries. Arabs have a gang rape game Taharrush in their culture, I'm sure you heard of it after Cologne. Middle east and parts of Africa are some of the biggest shi*holes on earth, it is an objective fact, so it is no surprise that if you welcome them in your country your crime levels will increase drastically.

I read about burning down immigrant centers here http://newobserveronline.com/record-number-attacks-by-swedish-patriots/

it is called an eye for an eye. Do I support that - if I hear about immigrant crimes in my country, yes I will. We will receive 250 immigrants from EU this year, noone knows how many of them will be stone age scum, but I already hear that the existing immigrants in our single immigrant center are behaving badly, lazy bums who don't want to work and there have been reports of women harassment. If it goes beyond that it will get very ugly.

You can google on muslim controlled zones in Sweden, there's many hits https://www.google.lv/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sweden%20muslim%20controlled

 

Wow your sentiments are really misguided. I was born in the Middle East to a primarly Muslim family (though we have members from other faiths as well). We legally came to the West to start a new life. My mother and I converted to Christianity, a fact which my (largely Muslim) extended family accepted without issue. I am not a savage, I am not a "stone-age scum", my family works and we support ourself, we believe in Western values such as equality and state secularism as well as individualism, I also believe that women as well as everyone else should be treated with oughtmost respect.

Also before calling me a savage, I would  like to remind you that you are the one who felt comforted by the fact that a refugee center was burned down by a group nationalists. You are also the one targetting, deindividualising, and dehumanizing a wide group of people, who individually have varying beliefs and come from different situations, and painting all of them with a wide brush.

 I do not object that there are people from Africa, Middle East, and East Asia who do not desire to integrate and yes some of these people do try to force their views and ideologies on others and as such these people need to be prevented from entering Western nations. However, it is neither fair nor just to blame all of the people who happen to originate from these regions because of the actions of some.

I did not choose to be born in the Middle East but when I was given the opportunity for a better life I chose to take it and I chose to integrate and immerse myself in the culture of the country and people who so kindly gave me this second opportunity at life.





sonicfan1373 said:
m0ney said:
Puppyroach said:                          

People are raped on a daily basis in every country on the earth, and Sweden is sadly no exception. 

And the underlined: are you serious? You think it is ok to burn down refugee centers?

And the bolded: Where do all these fantasies come from??? There are no areas controlled by muslims, the police try to treat everyone equal under the law. 2013 was a very violent year in terms on police shootings, where someone was shoot dead. The number? Three times.

That is true, but it is obvious that a large part of arab and black african immigrants are savages that canot be integrated. Women are treated like dogs and worse in the own countries. Arabs have a gang rape game Taharrush in their culture, I'm sure you heard of it after Cologne. Middle east and parts of Africa are some of the biggest shi*holes on earth, it is an objective fact, so it is no surprise that if you welcome them in your country your crime levels will increase drastically.

I read about burning down immigrant centers here http://newobserveronline.com/record-number-attacks-by-swedish-patriots/

it is called an eye for an eye. Do I support that - if I hear about immigrant crimes in my country, yes I will. We will receive 250 immigrants from EU this year, noone knows how many of them will be stone age scum, but I already hear that the existing immigrants in our single immigrant center are behaving badly, lazy bums who don't want to work and there have been reports of women harassment. If it goes beyond that it will get very ugly.

You can google on muslim controlled zones in Sweden, there's many hits https://www.google.lv/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sweden%20muslim%20controlled

 

Wow your sentiments are really misguided. I was born in the Middle East to a primarly Muslim family (though we have members from other faiths as well). We legally came to the West to start a new life. My mother and I converted to Christianity, a fact which my (largely Muslim) extended family accepted without issue. I am not a savage, I am not a "stone-age scum", my family works and we support ourself, we believe in Western values such as equality and state secularism as well as individualism, I also believe that women as well as everyone else should be treated with oughtmost respect.

Also before calling me a savage, I would  like to remind you that you are the one who felt comforted by the fact that a refugee center was burned down by a group nationalists. You are also the one targetting, deindividualising, and dehumanizing a wide group of people, who individually have varying beliefs and come from different situations, and painting all of them with a wide brush.

 I do not object that there are people from Africa, Middle East, and East Asia who do not desire to integrate and yes some of these people do try to force their views and ideologies on others and as such these people need to be prevented from entering Western nations. However, it is neither fair nor just to blame all of the people who happen to originate from these regions because of the actions of some.

I did not choose to be born in the Middle East but when I was given the opportunity for a better life I chose to take it and I chose to integrate and immerse myself in the culture of the country and people who so kindly gave me this second opportunity at life.



 

Of course not. But you can't take the risk of bringing in people who may want to destroy that society! None of this would happen if people were coming in at a slower pace, or better yet where screened. The government of Sweden is just preparing the country for civil-war!



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I come from Switzerland, we're anyway called racists by the rest of Europe, so who gives a shit? But we are an immigration country, almost 1/3 of our population are foreigners (if we also count the fully integrated ones/2nd/3rd generation who may even have a Swiss passport it's even about 40%).

The first wave of immigrants were Italians (because of a high percentage of unemployment in Italy), the 2nd wave were people from former Jugoslavia (because of the Balkan war), the 3rd wave were/are people from all over Europe (because of business reasons and then settling down/marrying a Swiss). All this groups integrated here in Switzerland very well (for the 2nd wave it took some time). The reason is because we all share a similar European-Christian culture. The only sub-group of the 2nd wave which still causes trouble are those from the Muslim parts like Albania.

Now, the new wave of refugees come from a completely different social background, from a Muslim culture which is hundreds of years behind our culture in development. They can not integrate, it's impossible. It's a fact!

What has this to do with Sweden? Well, although Sweden is much bigger than Switzerland, the size of population is comparable: Sweden has approx. 9 mil. and Switzerland 8 mil.



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barneystinson69 said:
sonicfan1373 said:
m0ney said:
Puppyroach said:                          

People are raped on a daily basis in every country on the earth, and Sweden is sadly no exception. 

And the underlined: are you serious? You think it is ok to burn down refugee centers?

And the bolded: Where do all these fantasies come from??? There are no areas controlled by muslims, the police try to treat everyone equal under the law. 2013 was a very violent year in terms on police shootings, where someone was shoot dead. The number? Three times.

That is true, but it is obvious that a large part of arab and black african immigrants are savages that canot be integrated. Women are treated like dogs and worse in the own countries. Arabs have a gang rape game Taharrush in their culture, I'm sure you heard of it after Cologne. Middle east and parts of Africa are some of the biggest shi*holes on earth, it is an objective fact, so it is no surprise that if you welcome them in your country your crime levels will increase drastically.

I read about burning down immigrant centers here http://newobserveronline.com/record-number-attacks-by-swedish-patriots/

it is called an eye for an eye. Do I support that - if I hear about immigrant crimes in my country, yes I will. We will receive 250 immigrants from EU this year, noone knows how many of them will be stone age scum, but I already hear that the existing immigrants in our single immigrant center are behaving badly, lazy bums who don't want to work and there have been reports of women harassment. If it goes beyond that it will get very ugly.

You can google on muslim controlled zones in Sweden, there's many hits https://www.google.lv/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sweden%20muslim%20controlled

 

Wow your sentiments are really misguided. I was born in the Middle East to a primarly Muslim family (though we have members from other faiths as well). We legally came to the West to start a new life. My mother and I converted to Christianity, a fact which my (largely Muslim) extended family accepted without issue. I am not a savage, I am not a "stone-age scum", my family works and we support ourself, we believe in Western values such as equality and state secularism as well as individualism, I also believe that women as well as everyone else should be treated with oughtmost respect.

Also before calling me a savage, I would  like to remind you that you are the one who felt comforted by the fact that a refugee center was burned down by a group nationalists. You are also the one targetting, deindividualising, and dehumanizing a wide group of people, who individually have varying beliefs and come from different situations, and painting all of them with a wide brush.

 I do not object that there are people from Africa, Middle East, and East Asia who do not desire to integrate and yes some of these people do try to force their views and ideologies on others and as such these people need to be prevented from entering Western nations. However, it is neither fair nor just to blame all of the people who happen to originate from these regions because of the actions of some.

I did not choose to be born in the Middle East but when I was given the opportunity for a better life I chose to take it and I chose to integrate and immerse myself in the culture of the country and people who so kindly gave me this second opportunity at life.



 

Of course not. But you can't take the risk of bringing in people who may want to destroy that society! None of this would happen if people were coming in at a slower pace, or better yet where screened. The government of Sweden is just preparing the country for civil-war!

I quite agree. I honestly do not know what Angela Merkel was (and is) thinking by opening the borders to allow such an influx of migrants/refugees to come in all at once. Did she not consider her country's past history? Did she not realize that many members of the EU, including Sweden, do not have the means to properly integrate these people at such a rapid rate? These actions, especially at a period of instability and concerns of security, have been very foolish. She has put native Europeans at risk, she has put Europeans of immigrant origin at risk, and she has also put the migrants and refugees at risk. The best solution to this crisis would have been for these countries and Turkey to work together in order to expand the existing refugee camps and create more liviable  and secure temporary settlements by the Turkish-Syrian border. Various countries could then start processing and taking in those who are most vulnerable and those who wish to integrate and contribute to the host country's way of life.  Moreover, opening the border to everyone has encouraged non-refugees such as those from Morocco, Somalia, Algeria, and various Eastern European nations (all of them relatively safe places to live, at least for non-minority populations) to also come with the genuine refugees.

 

I also apologize for my whiney tone in the previous comment. It is just that I have become quite nervous since this entire crisis began. I live in Canada, and I am a Canadian citizen, and I have become accustomed to and love the Canadian way of life. I fear that all that is happening in the world right now will trigger a gradual political domino effect towards the far-right that would one day result in me, and others like me, having to leave (or worst). In my case, I cannot safely return to the country in which I was born (not that I would ever want to go back there anyways) because as I mentioned in the previous post I changed my religion which is a crime there.





sonicfan1373 said:

 

Wow your sentiments are really misguided. I was born in the Middle East to a primarly Muslim family (though we have members from other faiths as well). We legally came to the West to start a new life. My mother and I converted to Christianity, a fact which my (largely Muslim) extended family accepted without issue. I am not a savage, I am not a "stone-age scum", my family works and we support ourself, we believe in Western values such as equality and state secularism as well as individualism, I also believe that women as well as everyone else should be treated with oughtmost respect.

Also before calling me a savage, I would  like to remind you that you are the one who felt comforted by the fact that a refugee center was burned down by a group nationalists. You are also the one targetting, deindividualising, and dehumanizing a wide group of people, who individually have varying beliefs and come from different situations, and painting all of them with a wide brush.

 I do not object that there are people from Africa, Middle East, and East Asia who do not desire to integrate and yes some of these people do try to force their views and ideologies on others and as such these people need to be prevented from entering Western nations. However, it is neither fair nor just to blame all of the people who happen to originate from these regions because of the actions of some.

I did not choose to be born in the Middle East but when I was given the opportunity for a better life I chose to take it and I chose to integrate and immerse myself in the culture of the country and people who so kindly gave me this second opportunity at life.



Bolded; this is part of the problem, you're doing exactly what many swedes are doing and likening nationalism in itself to nazism, this is simply not how it works. Nationalism and patriotism can exist independently from national socialism, there is even left wing nationalism.

This is one of the reasons the Swedish debate is screwed; several groups are lumped together without any coherent reason as to why other than a few general points in common (such as belonging to right or left wing ideology) and people attempt to still arguments and criticism by seemingly rendering them invalid or irrelevant through likening opposition to nazis or communists.

Nationalism is not in and on itself a movement or ideology that would support the burning of refugee centers.

PS: No, I'm not a nationalist, far from it. (Nor am I a communist... ).





m0ney said:
Yeh, sweep it all under the rug. At the end of the day Sweden and any other EU country would be a better place without immigrants from middle east and africa. Muslims cannot be integrated, they will 'integrate' you however. But that's ok, central and eastern europe stand ready for war with them.

 


You realise Africa is a continent right? So you're tell me theres no one of worth on an entire continent?... 



barneystinson69 said:

What I worry is that Sweden is acting blissfully ignorant to what is going on around the world. Being accepting doesn't mean you'll get your fair share back. The Swed's can be all defensive, but they're throwing away their value's to people who don't give a crap about that happens. Why is Sweden seen huge spikes in crime's in the last few years. Why are school's  seeing more and more kids failing, skipping classes, crime, and undoubtly not caring about the future? Will those people "contribute". There are already many no go zone's within the country, and people are worried. And as for "integration", opening the gates to million's will fail. People group together, and will try to go against society, its just human. 

Now maybe I have no right to say this, since I'm not Swedish. But the country is showing signs of a full blown political collapse. Society is seeing more and more internal pressure. And why now is the government suddenly wanting to deport over 80,000 muslums who didn't get asylum? Many are flooding the country illegally, and will no doubt cause trouble. And even if they do face the prospect of asylum, they simply don't care! Now I have mentioned this before, but look at cologne during new years. A disaster! 100s of calls to the police about crime's! The system nearly collapsed, and it was a disaster! The germans are finally seeing this politically correct BS, but the Swedish just want to keep their happy faces. Well good luck to them...

                               
I don´t get it. In what way would we be throwing away our values if our values since the 1960´s has been to have large immigration?

I think you also need to look up swedish crime statistics, because violent crime, robbery and murder are lower than they were ten years ago. The big problem is with sexual harrasment, where we have seen some big increases lately, and especially rape. So, crime overall has decreased, but rape has increased until 2012 (it has decreased slightly the last couple of years). This is definetely something that needs to be addressed and even though we know that the vast majority of rapes are committed by people with two swedish parents, the crime rate regarding this specific crime is four times as high within groups where both parents are from another country (and this includes people from all over the world).

And no, once again, there are no "no-go" zones in Sweden. That is a military term used by the extreme right in Sweden and it´s completely made up.

We will see massive amounts of people being deported because the migration office will find that they do not have valid cause for asylum. This happens every year in Sweden but the numbers are far greater now when we have had this extraordinary situation. Most of the deportations are of people from countries that are estimated to not have the right to seek asylum.

It is a pressing situation, in part because the migration office doesn´t have the manpower, and in large part because we don´t have housing for everyone. The harder border control rules together with the cold weather has decreased the number of refugees for 2000/day in the fall to about 100/day now which is more in line with 2014.



Puppyroach said:
barneystinson69 said:

What I worry is that Sweden is acting blissfully ignorant to what is going on around the world. Being accepting doesn't mean you'll get your fair share back. The Swed's can be all defensive, but they're throwing away their value's to people who don't give a crap about that happens. Why is Sweden seen huge spikes in crime's in the last few years. Why are school's  seeing more and more kids failing, skipping classes, crime, and undoubtly not caring about the future? Will those people "contribute". There are already many no go zone's within the country, and people are worried. And as for "integration", opening the gates to million's will fail. People group together, and will try to go against society, its just human. 

Now maybe I have no right to say this, since I'm not Swedish. But the country is showing signs of a full blown political collapse. Society is seeing more and more internal pressure. And why now is the government suddenly wanting to deport over 80,000 muslums who didn't get asylum? Many are flooding the country illegally, and will no doubt cause trouble. And even if they do face the prospect of asylum, they simply don't care! Now I have mentioned this before, but look at cologne during new years. A disaster! 100s of calls to the police about crime's! The system nearly collapsed, and it was a disaster! The germans are finally seeing this politically correct BS, but the Swedish just want to keep their happy faces. Well good luck to them...

                               
I don´t get it. In what way would we be throwing away our values if our values since the 1960´s has been to have large immigration?

I think you also need to look up swedish crime statistics, because violent crime, robbery and murder are lower than they were ten years ago. The big problem is with sexual harrasment, where we have seen some big increases lately, and especially rape. So, crime overall has decreased, but rape has increased until 2012 (it has decreased slightly the last couple of years). This is definetely something that needs to be addressed and even though we know that the vast majority of rapes are committed by people with two swedish parents, the crime rate regarding this specific crime is four times as high within groups where both parents are from another country (and this includes people from all over the world).

And no, once again, there are no "no-go" zones in Sweden. That is a military term used by the extreme right in Sweden and it´s completely made up.

We will see massive amounts of people being deported because the migration office will find that they do not have valid cause for asylum. This happens every year in Sweden but the numbers are far greater now when we have had this extraordinary situation. Most of the deportations are of people from countries that are estimated to not have the right to seek asylum.

It is a pressing situation, in part because the migration office doesn´t have the manpower, and in large part because we don´t have housing for everyone. The harder border control rules together with the cold weather has decreased the number of refugees for 2000/day in the fall to about 100/day now which is more in line with 2014.

 


So what your saying just proved my point. The majority of these people are just economical migrants who don't need to be there. And why is your country essentially allowing the floodgate's open when they can't support so many people! Are your politicans clueless?

And as for those no go zone's: http://fof.se/tidning/2015/5/artikel/darfor-okar-de-kriminella-gangens-makt

Its a swedish source, so it can be more compelling....

 

As for rape, well of course most of it comes from white people! What is your country, black? Its still mostly white (for now), did you expect a race with that makes up a small percentage to be more? Please! And even so, immigrant's are 5.5 times more likely to be charged with rape! 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).